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EU - in or out and why?

 
#1 EU - in or out and why?
23/06/2016 00:21

Tacitus1

Hey folks - thought I'd start a thread purely out of interest as to what the general feeling is amongst us all! Too much propaganda/bullsh*t being spouted by the media around it - plus there is nothing like a good last minute debate!

Question of the day is as per the title!

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#2 RE: EU - in or out and why?
23/06/2016 13:09

Rollercoaster to Tacitus1 (#1)

Out. because i never liked those people in the Procurement specialism with their OJEU timelines, Lawyers and Bravo filters.

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#3 RE: EU - in or out and why?
23/06/2016 16:51

Mr Cool to Rollercoaster (#2)

In. Just decided.

This country has low unemployment because we've already got the best work culture INSIDE the EU.

Immigration is a red herring. I've never lost a job to an immigrant, I've never been been denied health services by an immigrant in the queue in front. But I have worked alongside lots of them and I've seen a lot of them working as doctors, nurses and geriatric caretrs...

House inflation is not the fault of immigration - it's more to do with buy to let, relaxed credit rules and Saudi/Russian/Chinese investment.

It's not the EU that closed our uncompetitive steel and coal and ship works, but it was their rules that stopped us saving those zombie firms by pouring public money into them...

Yes, we hand over a net 200m a week, and yes there is scrurocrat gravy train, but I'm actinic that says that money would just go into home grown Brit technocrats instead. When was the last time you said "God the U.K. Local and national services are good value for money...?"

Either way ....we'll survive. 1st world problem really.

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#4 RE: EU - in or out and why?
24/06/2016 07:08

Mr Cool to Mr Cool (#3)

Err.... Out!

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#5 RE: EU - in or out and why?
24/06/2016 07:18

Bushy Eyebrow Partner to Mr Cool (#4)

Thank goodness

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#6 RE: EU - in or out and why?
24/06/2016 10:47

Rollercoaster to Bushy Eyebrow Partner (#5)

Blimey I never knew there were so many ex-consultants totally pissed off with government procurement projects!

So who is pitching work to clients today to help them through the Brexit change?

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#7 RE: EU - in or out and why?
24/06/2016 20:30

crayola to Bushy Eyebrow Partner (#5)

blimey, never realised so many people had so much disdain for immigrants. Being a son of an immigrant (a consultant doctor one)!) this all feels quite awkward...

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#8 RE: EU - in or out and why?
27/07/2016 10:39

Tony Restell (Top-Consultant.com) to crayola (#7)

So it's a few weeks on from the big decision. Any repercussions within your consulting firm so far? I'd be very interested to hear your insider views, as overall things seem much more upbeat than had been being talked about in the run-up to the vote...

Anyone have any thoughts?

Tony

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#9 RE: EU - in or out and why?
28/07/2016 09:01

Bushy Eyebrow Partner to Tony Restell (Top-Consultant.com) (#8)

It seems to have given people a bit more of a work ethic, perhaps. They've suddenly realised that, despite how people act in polite company, quite a lot of them hold right-wing, conservative political views and are cheesed off with slackers and the status quo but are afraid to express their opinions for fear of being shouted down by the militant left. I think people have become more aware that money doesn't grow on trees and they do actually need to earn their keep (talking big whilst dodging work doesn't count). It's come as a shock to the left, and that's no bad thing in my view.

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#10 RE: EU - in or out and why?
28/07/2016 10:04

crayola to Bushy Eyebrow Partner (#9)

Does that mean that Brexit (and all the alleged benefits that will bring) is going to somehow magically change the attitude & work ethic of bad workers?

Is it that the EU and freedom of trade and people has a connection with the status quo and the bad work ethic of people?

My opinion is that connection that you have made between brexit, right-wing conservative political views and slackers and the status quo is racist at worst and stupid at best. What you have written is complete conjecture based on god knows what...

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#11 RE: EU - in or out and why?
28/07/2016 12:55

Tacitus1 to crayola (#10)

Folk are still emotional I see :)

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#12 RE: EU - in or out and why?
29/07/2016 07:25

Bushy Eyebrow Partner to Tacitus1 (#11)

Indeed. What the left don't seem to understand is, a lot of us just don't like big government that distorts free markets and transfers wealth and resources from the private sector to the public sector. It leads to inefficiencies and takes away incentives for entrepreneurship and hard work. That's all there is to it. There's no need to call people names just because they don't want to be pumping money into and being ruled by a bloated bureaucracy in Brussels. And just look at what's happened to the Euro - glad we weren't part of that disaster.

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#13 RE: EU - in or out and why?
29/07/2016 15:19

Jack Black to Bushy Eyebrow Partner (#12)

I voted in and still maintain that we have made the wrong choice, but like many things we just don't know what the long term outlook actually is. When people were voting for 'Brexit', what actually were they voting for? The out camp never pulled together anything remotely like a plan of action should they be victorious meaning we are now seeing confusion about what is all really means.

I work for one of major global players... and the message from within is 'it might be good, it might be bad, we don't really know until we start the negotiating with the EU'.

I also think the arguments presented by both sides during the campaigns were largely meaningless soundbites

"My Doctor is Polish, his parents are French, he married a German and he's a great guy, isn't immigration wonderful..."

"I lost my job to a Romanian, we need to claim back our borders"

These mean nothing and only serve to gain rounds of applause from idiots who fail to realise they are being manipulated.

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#14 RE: EU - in or out and why?
02/08/2016 07:18

Tony Restell (Top-Consultant.com) to Jack Black (#13)

An interesting read here showing just how difficult the impact of Brexit is to call - http://www.reesdraperwright.com/6-factors-shaping-brexits-impact-consulting-industry/. So many factors at play here, seems like this is really hard to judge. Anyone seen any other analysis that is consulting-specific?

Tony

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#15 RE: EU - in or out and why?
21/08/2016 11:26

Camster to Bushy Eyebrow Partner (#12)

Indeed. What the left don't seem to understand is, a lot of us just don't like big government that distorts free markets and transfers wealth and resources from the private sector to the public sector. It leads to inefficiencies and takes away incentives for entrepreneurship and hard work. That's all there is to it. There's no need to call people names just because they don't want to be pumping money into and being ruled by a bloated bureaucracy in Brussels. And just look at what's happened to the Euro - glad we weren't part of that disaster.

1.

PFI is/was a joke.

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The private sector made a mess of things and were bailed out with public money. Talk about "pumping money..."!!!

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BEP, I have not been on here for some time, but your recent posts are somewhat unbecoming.

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@Tony. Most predictions were based on what was known at the time, e.g. Dave Cam saying that he would invoke immediately, minimal help from the BoE, etc. The pound plumbed depths. There is more QE. Etc. I correctly called Cisco laying off people. Expect others to follow. This is my prediction for the next 3 weeks. 20 Aug - 10 Sep, this 3-week period, markets will take a pounding.

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