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Need Urgent help on understanding Capgemini role, position and level (just got an offer)

 
#1 Need Urgent help on understanding Capgemini role, position and level (just got an offer)
12/01/2015 01:48

tp5988

I am currently an experienced consultant SAP Consultant with 10 years of SAP experience (6 years at accenture and 4 years at HP consulting). I just recieved an offer with Capgemini and being told that I will be at a manager level but according my offer letter my title is Senior Application Consultant but grade is manager. Does any one have any info to share with me to ensure me that I will be manager. I don't want to move from HP as I will make manger soon. Would hate to start at capgemini and realize that I back to consultant level. Any thoughts...Below is a extract from my offer letter.......

We are pleased to confirm our offer of employment to you to join Capgemini U.S. LLC. We believe that you will find working with

us to be both professionally challenging and fulfilling.

Upon joining Capgemini in our 333 W Wacker Drive Suite 300, Chicago, IL 60606 office your Global role title will be Senior

Applications Consultant which is equivalent to a local grade of Manager.

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#2 RE: Need Urgent help on understanding Capgemini role, position and level (just got an offer)
12/01/2015 08:20

Bushy Eyebrow Partner to tp5988 (#1)

What is a "local grade"? Sounds confusing.

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#3 RE: Need Urgent help on understanding Capgemini role, position and level (just got an offer)
12/01/2015 11:16

Frio to Bushy Eyebrow Partner (#2)

Unless there is someone from Capgemini in that specific practice I don't think you're going to get an answer.

What is Capgemini offering you that makes you want to leave your current role?

If you're going to be promoted to Manager in the near future will this give you the same salary uplift etc that moving to Capgemini now will?

I personally think that the answer to these two questions should be more important than whether or not you'll be called a Manager in Capgemini.

I think you can get an answer from Capgemini on your specific question - either ask them directly or be more subtle and ask what the promotion/advancement opportunities are and what the next couple of levels would look like.

If it goes like this:

Title - local equivalent grade

Snr Consultant - Manager

Manager - Snr Manager

Snr Manager - Director

Director - Partner

then that's one thing but it could also go like this:

Snr Consultant - Manager

Manager - Manager

Snr Manager - Snr Manager

Director - Director

because of some strange career level balancing that happened as a result of expansion or whatever.

Hope my Monday morning rambling is of some help.

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#4 RE: Need Urgent help on understanding Capgemini role, position and level (just got an offer)
12/01/2015 12:35

detoilet Consultant to Bushy Eyebrow Partner (#2)

Things maybe different in US but if you are joining technology services (TS) you should look for the following grade(s)

T7 - Senior Consultant - but can be charged out as a project manager, Change Manager etc to a client

T8 Manager - this is the internal manager grade in TS although T7 might be a team lead etc but real manager is T8

Outsourcing is O grades which I have no idea about.

If consulting I think you need to aim for C4 but not 100% sure

Application consultant sounds Like T6 to me not manager

Ask is it;-

Technology services (T grade)

Consulting Services (C grade)

Outsourcing (O grade)

And then get what it is in t/c/o and you'll get your answer

DC

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#5 RE: Need Urgent help on understanding Capgemini role, position and level (just got an offer)
12/01/2015 22:54

tp5988 to detoilet Consultant (#4)

I am not being told grades and being told l am Manager at level. I got a base pay of 144k USD and 10k signing bonus. But I find it so odd that my role is Senior Apps Consultant. I don't understand what local grade of Manger means.

Does this salary and bonus seem along the line of Manager? This would be in the SAP Applications Service line.

Regards

TP

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#6 RE: Need Urgent help on understanding Capgemini role, position and level (just got an offer)
12/01/2015 23:56

Bushy Eyebrow Partner to tp5988 (#5)

Who cares what the title is. If the pay is right, I couldn't care less if my job title were toilet cleaner

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#7 RE: Need Urgent help on understanding Capgemini role, position and level (just got an offer)
13/01/2015 04:48

tp5988 to Bushy Eyebrow Partner (#6)

Yeah but the end goal is to make make partner one day and I really don't want to loose time trying to achieve my goal.

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#8 RE: Need Urgent help on understanding Capgemini role, position and level (just got an offer)
13/01/2015 08:36

Bushy Eyebrow Partner to tp5988 (#7)

Hmm. Being a partner is a chore. Yes you have power - of sorts - but you also get the stress that goes with that. It's not the utopia many consider it to be. I would just concentrate on getting as much pay as you can, the rest will take care of itself

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