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McKinsey Experienced Professional and Transcripts

 
#1 McKinsey Experienced Professional and Transcripts
16/09/2013 20:06

McKcandidate

Hi,

I'm going through the Experienced Professional process with McKinsey. I have an outstanding bill from university so I'm curious about the necessity of official transcripts from university.

I'd really like to hear from people who went through the Experienced Professional and did or did not submit official transcripts.

Just a bit of background, I never applied online with McKinsey; I was approached by an EP recruiter. Thanks and good luck.

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#2 RE: McKinsey Experienced Professional and Transcripts
17/09/2013 09:12

Bushy Eyebrow Partner to McKcandidate (#1)

Fascinating. As an experienced professional, how long has it been since you left university? Are there extraordinary personal financial circumstances that have prevented you from paying the bill, or is the outstanding bill in dispute?

I find it curious that one would spend time at a university and then jeopardise the degree and hence career prospects by not paying a bill, unless the bill was in dispute (and, even then, one might argue it's best just to pay it anyway then try and claim it back). A lot of people would give the university their kidneys if it meant getting into McK, so to risk your chances because of a disputed $10 book fine (ok, maybe it's a little more than that - tuition fees or something) or whatever seems extraordinary.

Anyhow, answering your question, I imagine they want proof of your qualifications but probably aren't too bothered about the exact percentages you got in each test. And even if they do, it shouldn't show up on a transcript - although you might have a hard time persuading them to give it to you if there's a bill outstanding. Left-wing establishments can be a bit like that.

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#3 RE: McKinsey Experienced Professional and Transcripts
17/09/2013 13:18

TheRedMan to McKcandidate (#1)

I am surprised the bill has been outstanding for all these years. Assuming its a large sum (I agree with BEP that few people would risk their career over $10), the uni must have made some efforts to chase it back. Interested to learn how you managed to ward them off :)

that being said, I agree with BEP that probably all the firms require is just proof of what final grades (end of year transcripts, GPA score, certificate) you achieved during uni, but you may have a hard time getting them. Try being very nice to the very nice people at the transcripts department, and if that dont work, pay up.

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#4 RE: McKinsey Experienced Professional and Transcripts
17/09/2013 14:53

McKcandidate to Bushy Eyebrow Partner (#2)

Conjecture aside, I'm looking for input from candidates, who went through the McKinsey EP process, to prepare for a possible offer in the coming months.

Anyone?

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#5 RE: McKinsey Experienced Professional and Transcripts
17/09/2013 16:17

Bushy Eyebrow Partner to McKcandidate (#4)

Suddenly this becomes even more curious.

Our comments have been less about conjecture than they have about a practical solution. In other words, here is your solution:

A. If there is no good reason why the bill is outstanding, then PAY IT. Then you have nothing to worry about.

B. If there IS a good reason why the bill is outstanding and it is in genuine dispute, then there is no reason why the university should wish to withhold your transcript (they'll be more worried about people who leave and just decide not to settle their bills than they are about people who are legitimately querying the bills).

I'd love to know the story behind this little quagmire you've gotten yourself into!

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#6 RE: McKinsey Experienced Professional and Transcripts
17/09/2013 17:11

McKcandidate to Bushy Eyebrow Partner (#5)

Suddenly this becomes even more curious.

Our comments have been less about conjecture than they have about a practical solution. In other words, here is your solution:

A. If there is no good reason why the bill is outstanding, then PAY IT. Then you have nothing to worry about.

B. If there IS a good reason why the bill is outstanding and it is in genuine dispute, then there is no reason why the university should wish to withhold your transcript (they'll be more worried about people who leave and just decide not to settle their bills than they are about people who are legitimately querying the bills).

I'd love to know the story behind this little quagmire you've gotten yourself into!

I would ask if you've ever worked for McKinsey, but rhetorical questions are a waste.

To repeat my original statement, Input from McKinsey EP candidates, who have reached the offer stage and submitted or did not submit official transcripts, is highly appreciated.

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#7 RE: McKinsey Experienced Professional and Transcripts
17/09/2013 17:35

necmergitur1985 to McKcandidate (#6)

Not sure about experiences hires, but I had to submit official transcripts as a new fresh hire

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#8 RE: McKinsey Experienced Professional and Transcripts
17/09/2013 17:40

Bushy Eyebrow Partner to McKcandidate (#6)

You might be surprised at the answer to your rhetorical question, Mr Arrogant. Now I'm thinking back to quite a long time ago, but remember that their assessment process and suchlike used to be very thorough indeed.

But back to our original response:

a) Why don't you just pay the university bill if it's not in dispute?

b) If it's in dispute, then they won't withhold your transcript.

c) If you have financial difficulties, then talk to them about it and they won't withhold your transcript. Although being an experienced hire, you should have had plenty of opportunity to settle your debts by now.

I just don't understand why you're worrying about it, unless there's some other relevant information you're unwilling to share with us? Help us to help you - what's the REAL reason for your concern? Is it just that you had a bill from them many moons ago and thought you'd managed to dodge paying it and now you're worried it might have implications? IF (IF!) that is the case, just pay it!

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#9 RE: McKinsey Experienced Professional and Transcripts
17/09/2013 18:07

McKcandidate to Bushy Eyebrow Partner (#8)

You might be surprised at the answer to your rhetorical question, Mr Arrogant. Now I'm thinking back to quite a long time ago, but remember that their assessment process and suchlike used to be very thorough indeed.

But back to our original response:

a) Why don't you just pay the university bill if it's not in dispute?

b) If it's in dispute, then they won't withhold your transcript.

c) If you have financial difficulties, then talk to them about it and they won't withhold your transcript. Although being an experienced hire, you should have had plenty of opportunity to settle your debts by now.

I just don't understand why you're worrying about it, unless there's some other relevant information you're unwilling to share with us? Help us to help you - what's the REAL reason for your concern? Is it just that you had a bill from them many moons ago and thought you'd managed to dodge paying it and now you're worried it might have implications? IF (IF!) that is the case, just pay it!

I wouldn't be surprised because your posts have been filled with 0 common sense and that's how I know. Lastly, you didn't comprehend my original post, which clearly states certain objectives, and requests, and that's the nail in the coffin. Calling it how I read it.

It's the internet and you can be whoever you want to be behind a keyboard.

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#10 RE: McKinsey Experienced Professional and Transcripts
17/09/2013 18:09

McKcandidate to necmergitur1985 (#7)

Not sure about experiences hires, but I had to submit official transcripts as a new fresh hire

Thanks, appreciate your response.

Let's hope McKinsey EPs chime in as well.

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#11 RE: McKinsey Experienced Professional and Transcripts
17/09/2013 18:09

McKcandidate to necmergitur1985 (#7)

Not sure about experiences hires, but I had to submit official transcripts as a new fresh hire

DP

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#12 RE: McKinsey Experienced Professional and Transcripts
17/09/2013 18:13

Bushy Eyebrow Partner to McKcandidate (#9)

OK Mr Arrogant, on the topic of "calling it how you see it", I think that you might not have a good reason for having an outstanding university debt, and now you're worried it might affect your career options, which is why you're worried...

Because, if you did have a good reason for not paying the debt, then it's very unlikely it would affect you in the way you describe.

So, why not pay the debt and eradicate the problem? Or at least open a dialogue with the university to explain the situation, whether that be one of affordability or legitimate dispute, and agree a resolution or payment plan? ....as opposed to carrying out extensive research to find out if you can somehow dodge the issue (and the bill)....

Seriously - don't you think that's the best solution to your predicament? Makes the whole matter go away instantly?

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#13 RE: McKinsey Experienced Professional and Transcripts
17/09/2013 18:33

McKcandidate to Bushy Eyebrow Partner (#12)

DP

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#14 RE: McKinsey Experienced Professional and Transcripts
17/09/2013 18:33

McKcandidate to Bushy Eyebrow Partner (#12)

OK Mr Arrogant, on the topic of "calling it how you see it", I think that you might not have a good reason for having an outstanding university debt, and now you're worried it might affect your career options, which is why you're worried...

Because, if you did have a good reason for not paying the debt, then it's very unlikely it would affect you in the way you describe.

So, why not pay the debt and eradicate the problem? Or at least open a dialogue with the university to explain the situation, whether that be one of affordability or legitimate dispute, and agree a resolution or payment plan? ....as opposed to carrying out extensive research to find out if you can somehow dodge the issue (and the bill)....

Seriously - don't you think that's the best solution to your predicament? Makes the whole matter go away instantly?

You are posing questions as though you deserve answers. You don't know me, my background, the details around the dispute, etc. Most importantly, my answers have no relevancy to the "case"; read and listen rather than skim and hear.

I asked a simple question that you were unable to comprehend. Most importantly, you were never a McKinsey EP hire and you posted. I would predict that your posts are littered throughout this forum because enjoy hearing your unstructured rambling, which is further proof that you never worked for McKinsey.

This has royally been a waste of my time. I'm done with you.

PS: Get your nonsensical last word in, but be rest assured that most people ignore idiocy.

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#15 RE: McKinsey Experienced Professional and Transcripts
17/09/2013 18:53

Bushy Eyebrow Partner to McKcandidate (#14)

You are wrong on a number of fronts.

You are posing questions as though you deserve answers.

Actually, YOU are the one asking for help. I am merely seeking clarification of the situation.

You don't know me, my background, the details around the dispute, etc.

Do I need to?

Most importantly, my answers have no relevancy to the "case"

Yes they do. We're attempting to help you tackle the cause of your problem rather than the symptom.

read and listen rather than skim and hear.

Indeed.

I asked a simple question that you were unable to comprehend.

Oh, I comprehend it. I have asked for some further information that you won't provide, however. Why not?

Most importantly, you were never a McKinsey EP hire and you posted.

Firstly, you didn't state that only EPs were "allowed" to post. Secondly, even though I've never been through the McK EP route, that doesn't mean I haven't worked for McK.

I would predict that your posts are littered throughout this forum because enjoy hearing your unstructured rambling, which is further proof that you never worked for McKinsey.

That's faulty logic...

This has royally been a waste of my time. I'm done with you.

Just like you're "done" with your university debts, I guess.

Since you're being so darned persistent, I'd say yes, it's virtually certain that they'll want to see your transcripts - not least because they'll want to verify you're not lying about your grades and background. Think about it - a lot of people fib to get a job, so can you imagine the fibs some people would probably be prepared to say in order to get into McK? So, they're certain to want to do their checks very thoroughly indeed. If you say you've got a Harvard MBA for example, they'll want to be certain that their clients really are getting a Harvard MBA - can you imagine how embarrassing it would be for them if it turned out you just had some diploma instead? Think about it - of course they're going to do their checks, and I'd say it's virtually certain that includes checking transcripts.

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#16 RE: McKinsey Experienced Professional and Transcripts
17/09/2013 19:02

Bushy Eyebrow Partner to McKcandidate (#14)

PS: Get your nonsensical last word in, but be rest assured that most people ignore idiocy.

LOL. I note that you edited your post to add in that final sentence AFTER I had posted my reply.

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#17 RE: McKinsey Experienced Professional and Transcripts
17/09/2013 19:05

necmergitur1985 to Bushy Eyebrow Partner (#16)

I'd get the transcripts...I'd be highly surprised if the requirements were different for Associates hire vs. EPs.

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#18 RE: McKinsey Experienced Professional and Transcripts
17/09/2013 19:09

McKcandidate to necmergitur1985 (#17)

I'd get the transcripts...I'd be highly surprised if the requirements were different for Associates hire vs. EPs.

Duly noted. It will be tricky to say the least because of the enormity of the bill and the players involved. I'd just like to prepare rather than "crossing that bridge when it comes".

However, I must admit that one would think that the transcripts would be at the 1st stage of the process (efficiency, cost, etc) rather than the final.

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#19 RE: McKinsey Experienced Professional and Transcripts
18/09/2013 00:52

TheRedMan to McKcandidate (#18)

Just dropped in to take one last look for the day and ...WOW...

I feel BEP gave a decent response to your situation; "Transcripts are important so unless you have very good reasons, pay up and get them". The analysis were efforts to simply try to clarify your situation and help you work out the best solution.

I understand that you don't like BEP's response, and don't believe him/her (sorry BEP, not sure whether its him or her, care to clarify?) to be associated in any way past or present with McK, and so don't care much about his opinion. But what you do think other consultants here (McK included) will think about your posts?

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#20 RE: McKinsey Experienced Professional and Transcripts
18/09/2013 03:19

necmergitur1985 to TheRedMan (#19)

I am not sure if you are in the US vs other country, but I know that McK US performs a VERY COMPREHENSIVE background check prior to hiring. This includes a credit check and everything under the moon. Just be prepared.

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#21 RE: McKinsey Experienced Professional and Transcripts
18/09/2013 08:21

Evil Consultant to McKcandidate (#1)

I've never worked for McKinsey but every place I've ever worked has required a full transcript of either my undergraduate degree, my MBA or both, whether for an entry-level job or as an experienced hire.

I'd listen to BEP if I were you. He may be a crusty old fart but he had been around the block a couple of times and knows his onions.

EC

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#22 RE: McKinsey Experienced Professional and Transcripts
18/09/2013 10:58

Arby the Manager to Evil Consultant (#21)

Objectively - OP is behaving like an @rse - and I'm not surprised he has an outstanding University bill - probably convinced he's right after all these years. I only hope the University thinks he is as much of an @rse as rest of us reading his posts and refuses to even provide the transcripts...

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#23 RE: McKinsey Experienced Professional and Transcripts
18/09/2013 11:20

Mr Cool to McKcandidate (#1)

Hi Mkcandidate,

I should declare that I too have never been through the McK EP process, but I do know a few McK partners personally.

One is an ex-colleague from SI days who the went into career stratosphere. The other is married to the best friend of an ex-girlfriend ( we kept in touch because we are from the same town and support the same obscure football team).

The third is sitting about thirty feet away. I'm desperately trying to deliver a transformation programme while he and his team define the requirements for the NEXT transformation. We both enjoy the irony if this, but as we are both billing high rates for the next 12 months we don't alarm the client.

Anyway - I asked him for some advice and he said....

We target outstanding candidates with first class education and we expect proof in the form of transcripts

We get the transcripts at the end if the process (and sometimes on day 1 of employment) because the drop out rate along the interview process is high. Frankly we don't expect anyone to be dumb enough to lie, and if they do we show them the door.

I asked about payment issues and he made a face like I had asked to date his mother! He seemed to think that owing the university that had awarded you the degree that qualified you for the job was:

Poor etiquette

Poor judgement

Poor financial management

Embarrassing

...all of which would rather make you less than welcome in a club that hangs out with C-suite clients all day.

I'm not bright enough (certainly not McK EP level bright!) to come to a conclusion on all this, but hope the raw data is useful.

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#24 RE: McKinsey Experienced Professional and Transcripts
18/09/2013 14:17

McKcandidate to Mr Cool (#23)

Hi Mkcandidate,

I should declare that I too have never been through the McK EP process, but I do know a few McK partners personally.

One is an ex-colleague from SI days who the went into career stratosphere. The other is married to the best friend of an ex-girlfriend ( we kept in touch because we are from the same town and support the same obscure football team).

The third is sitting about thirty feet away. I'm desperately trying to deliver a transformation programme while he and his team define the requirements for the NEXT transformation. We both enjoy the irony if this, but as we are both billing high rates for the next 12 months we don't alarm the client.

Anyway - I asked him for some advice and he said....

We target outstanding candidates with first class education and we expect proof in the form of transcripts

We get the transcripts at the end if the process (and sometimes on day 1 of employment) because the drop out rate along the interview process is high. Frankly we don't expect anyone to be dumb enough to lie, and if they do we show them the door.

I asked about payment issues and he made a face like I had asked to date his mother! He seemed to think that owing the university that had awarded you the degree that qualified you for the job was:

Poor etiquette

Poor judgement

Poor financial management

Embarrassing

...all of which would rather make you less than welcome in a club that hangs out with C-suite clients all day.

I'm not bright enough (certainly not McK EP level bright!) to come to a conclusion on all this, but hope the raw data is useful.

Hi,

Wow, just wow. Thank you for your informative response. I'll clarify with the recruiter about the necessity for official transcripts because I would gladly log into my uni's website for confirmation and print.

I won't get into the details about my dispute with the 3rd party obligated payee and my uni, but I've been stubborn about it during my discussions. Looks like I should change my approach.

Thanks again.

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#25 RE: McKinsey Experienced Professional and Transcripts
18/09/2013 14:20

McKcandidate to necmergitur1985 (#20)

I am not sure if you are in the US vs other country, but I know that McK US performs a VERY COMPREHENSIVE background check prior to hiring. This includes a credit check and everything under the moon. Just be prepared.

Thanks.

I'm going to work with the recruiter to discuss my official transcript issue and ways to mitigate. Really appreciate your responses.

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#26 RE: McKinsey Experienced Professional and Transcripts
11/11/2013 22:51

SeriousConsultant to McKcandidate (#24)

Hi MckCandidate, I'm also an experienced hire candidate for Mck, currently in the early stages of interview process. I was hired as an experienced hire management consultant at ACN 2 years ago, and as far as I remember, they didn't request any grade or transcripts. They did verify my previous work experiences as well as any criminal record, and perhaps at most verified that I went to the university stated on my resume. But this is ALL through a third party vendor called HIRERIGHT. So my question is, is Mck different?

After you talk to HR, could you enlighten me about the Mck process? Do they request official transcript? Who's doing the background check on transcripts? Third party vendor vs HR themselves? Do they require consent release from you in order to get the transcript?

Appreciate any informative material you can share.

Thanks

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#27 RE: McKinsey Experienced Professional and Transcripts
12/11/2013 06:37

EarlyDoors to McKcandidate (#1)

Hi

They might or might not double check during the interview process. However, if you don't disclose and McK subsequently find out then you could have a serious issue in the future. (All you need is one vindictive email from someone at the Uni)

Sometimes it is better not to fight. I would probably pay.

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