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Ashridge Business School

 
#1 Ashridge Business School
27/12/2010 16:10

Prospective Student

How would you rate Ashridge Business School in the league of other reputable Business Schools? Does it pave way into MBBB?

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#2 RE: Ashridge Business School
27/12/2010 17:48

MBA to Prospective Student (#1)

http://rankings.ft.com/businessschoolrankings/ashridge.

34th currently, sliding year on year. You might be able to get into MBBB from there, but very much doubt they'd come onto campus. You really need to be at LBS, Said or Cambridge at a push, or maybe Cranfield. (Of UK B Schools)

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#3 RE: Ashridge Business School
27/12/2010 18:43

hard_to_believe to Prospective Student (#1)

I have never heard of them, but that does not mean much. Although nothing is impossible, it is hard to believe that this would be an MBB target school.

FYI: http://www.ashridge.org.uk/Website/Content.nsf/wDEG/One-year+Full-time+MBA+-+Placement+Data?opendocument

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#4 RE: Ashridge Business School
27/12/2010 19:31

anon to Prospective Student (#1)

You could, but the Ashridge MBA is aimed mainly at people for whom MBB Associate positions are not a major concern as they are beyond that point in their careers. See the experience and salary data for further info, or go to a few open days and see for yourself the difference in seniority and maturity of candidates at different schools.

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#5 RE: Ashridge Business School
27/12/2010 19:37

TiV to Prospective Student (#1)

You might as well ask if the Sloan Masters in Finance paves the way into bulge bracket investment banking.

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#6 RE: Ashridge Business School
29/12/2010 14:23

anon to TiV (#5)

What about the Ashridge Doctorate in Organisational Change? Does anyone know how useful this programme could be to a Consulting career?

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#7 RE: Ashridge Business School
29/12/2010 14:42

Alex to anon (#6)

Why would you want to do PhD and then work for a consultancy????

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#8 RE: Ashridge Business School
29/12/2010 18:13

ongle to anon (#6)

I think you'd get most out of it if you have prior consulting experience - employed or independent. In effect, you'd probably need at least some internal consulting experience to meet the registration requirements.

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#9 RE: Ashridge Business School
30/12/2010 15:02

Curious to ongle (#8)

@Alex. What is wrong with doing a Ph.D and working for a consultancy?

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#10 RE: Ashridge Business School
03/01/2011 18:51

Opinion to Curious (#9)

I think it is a good school and a good programme, if you have the time and the money.

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#11 RE: Ashridge Business School
03/01/2011 19:51

my 2p worth to Opinion (#10)

I always thought a PhD, assuming the subject matter/thesis was relevant to the type of work done in MC, and specific enough to give the person a genuine "knowledge competitive advantage", could be a great entry to the industry.

In the case of a company that needs help in a specific area of their business, how nice would it be for a prospective MC firm to pitch the fact that they will staff the project with Dr. X, who spent 3 yrs of his life researching and analysing the "ins and out" of that particular area.

Companies don't normally hire MC firms because they want the use of smarter people than they have in their own org. (as much as the Harvard MBAs at MBB may like to believe that is the case). They either need extra resources with demonstrated analytical rigor, or they need access to very specific knowledge, not available within their own org.

PhDs can easily fit into both, especially the latter.

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#12 RE: Ashridge Business School
04/01/2011 06:26

anon to my 2p worth (#11)

In theory true, although the likelihood that the expertise required by the client coincides with the expertise gained from the PhD is incredibly low. Both because of the narrow nature of PhD study (by design) and because relatively few focus on real-world application.

The majority of the PhDs I have met in consulting have suffered from:

- Poor interpersonal skills, perhaps a correlate of personality required to complete a PhD, perhaps a consequence of spending 3+ years in deep academia

- Frustration at being managed by and paid less than younger people with less knowledge, fewer qualifications, etc.

- Desperate focus on the narrow PhD topic - banging the same drum because there was no incentive/opportunity during the PhD to expand their knowledge and understanding outside that narrow field or gain practical experience

The ones who do well seem to be those who treat the PhD as a worthwhile period in their lives, but the move into consulting as a career change requiring a fresh start (which it is).

In any case, it's irrelevant in relation to the question about Ashridge's Doctorate in Organisational Change which is more a DBA-style programme, oriented to application and requiring prior experience.

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