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correlation between first round success and final AC day?

 
#1 correlation between first round success and final AC day?
09/12/2010 10:41

zulu

Morning.

Ok, so I had the first interview with a SM at Deloitte and got the call to say come back for an AC day (assume this would be the final stage).

Can I have your opinions on whether there is a correlation between first round success and success at AC day? Obviously you need to pass the first round to get to AC day, but what percentage of those successes then lead to AC success? Thank you.

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#2 RE: correlation between first round success and final AC day?
09/12/2010 13:45

zulu to zulu (#1)

come on guys, i need a boost prior to my ac day.

if person X tells you he has passed the SM interview at Dot and is invited for an AC day, what odds would you give him/her of getting an offer (without knowing them i.e. purely on hunch)

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#3 RE: correlation between first round success and final AC day?
09/12/2010 14:16

Mars A Day to zulu (#2)

50/50, maybe 60/40, maybe 49/51.

Your success at 1st round will not influence your success in the AC in anyway - you have simply made the grade to be there. It has no predictive value.

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#4 RE: correlation between first round success and final AC day?
09/12/2010 14:24

ABC to Mars A Day (#3)

Yes, there is a correlation. Everybody who passes the AC day, also passed the first-round interview.

I think what you mean to ask is what is the candidate:vacancy ratio for AC invitations. And the answer... I don't know.

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#5 RE: correlation between first round success and final AC day?
09/12/2010 20:47

Someone to ABC (#4)

I hope you are not a consultant Mr/Ms ABC, as your analytical skills definitely need some polishing. The correlation zulu is asking for is between passing 1st round (the actual/independent variable) and passing AC (the predicted/dependent variable) not vice versa.

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#6 RE: correlation between first round success and final AC day?
09/12/2010 21:26

ABC to Someone (#5)

Some on E,

First of all, my stated correlation was tongue-in-cheek. Lighten up! Oh, no. You're one of those boring Modelling types, aren't you?

Secondly, the reason I said this is because I don't find correlation to be a good term for expressing what Zulu is asking for. For those who pass the AC, there is positive correlation, and its the same for all. For those who don't, there is not, and ditto. So... what do you want, and average of the sum of all the people in the above two brackets? Isn't it just easier to ask the Q in that way I stated it?

And the only thing that needs polishing is my kn0b... fancy a try?

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#7 RE: correlation between first round success and final AC day?
09/12/2010 21:29

ABC to ABC (#6)

PS: I think my last post clears up the whole Mr/Ms conundrum. Or should we start another thread asking about the correlation between kn0b bearers and their gender?

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#8 RE: correlation between first round success and final AC day?
10/12/2010 19:04

zulu to ABC (#7)

ABC, appreciate the reply, but I don't agree with "...because I don't find correlation to be a good term for expressing what Zulu is asking for."

There is nothing wrong with the statement. If 100% of those who pass the first round then fail the AC day, there is negative correlation; if 100% go on to pass the AC day, then strong correlation; if 50/50, no correlation and so on.

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#9 RE: correlation between first round success and final AC day?
10/12/2010 20:17

ABC to zulu (#8)

Zulu, I hate dragging this out.

Firstly, I apologise to all for the tone of my previous posts. Unnecessary, and the fruit of tiredness, a bad day, and the provocation of a personality-lacking poster called Someone.

Back to the question at hand, correlation is an interesting concept when discussing the relationship between two VARIABLES (we all knew that? good!). In your scenario, you are talking about success at AC, hence 1st-round success is no longer a variable, its a given: everybody at AC has passed the first round.

Furthermore, and following up on the wise comment by Mars A Day, once you get to AC, you have a clean slate compared to all other AC candidates. You have all passed the 1st round, and that puts no one at any advantage. So, forget about correlation. It's a poor and misleading term.

Furthermore, if I came on here and replied "there is a correlation of 0.28 between success at 1st Round and AC", how many people do you think that would mean anything to?

What you want to know is how many people do they invite to AC vs how many they want to see pass through the AC.

I see many people use "fancy" terminology like correlation, when it is really uncessary, just because they think it makes them sound smarter. Maybe I jumped on your post due to a backlog of frustration due to that. Might not be your case. No offence intended mate.

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#10 RE: correlation between first round success and final AC day?
14/12/2010 14:45

Anon to ABC (#9)

Maybe the Cambridge-educated maths genius from the PWC post can settle this debate...

After all, he/she probably has plenty of free time after having been deemed to smart to be hired by a lowly consulting firm.

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