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CapGemini levels / career progression /

 
#1 CapGemini levels / career progression /
05/11/2010 08:33

jobhunter

Hoping someone might be able to help.

Just looking at Cap and their levels seems to be quite different than say somewhere like ACN - difficult to compare.

What is the usual career progression (timewise) and 'normalised' level equivalent for comparison to other consultancies? (put something down for starters but no idea if its right)

Associate Consultant(C1) - Analyst

Consultant(C2) - Consultant

Senior Consultant(C3) - C3/M1

Managing Consultant(C4) - M2-M3/SM1

Executive Consultant(C5) - SM2/3/Junior Partner

Director/Partner - Partner

What level should one aim for with 7/8yrs experience?

Also, anyone have an idea of a pay range for the levels? Are they competitive, not competitive, do they negotiate at all?

cheers

jobhunter

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#2 RE: CapGemini levels / career progression /
05/11/2010 08:43

Dave to jobhunter (#1)

Now, you funny little man. We need you to answer some further questions. Firstly, WTF is "Cap"? Are we talking "Cap Gem" or "Cap Co"?

This will be our starting point, stripping out your jargon.

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#3 RE: CapGemini levels / career progression /
05/11/2010 08:58

informed to Dave (#2)

Dave, calm down and read the subject - it says "CapGemini levels / career progression /"

What part of that don't you understand? No need for jobhunter to answer your questions, the answers are already there

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#4 RE: CapGemini levels / career progression /
05/11/2010 09:04

rc to informed (#3)

7/8 years boundary of SC / MC - they would probably position as top end SC. they underpay slightly gainst the market and attempt to sell this by referring to a collaborative style, more relaxed environment etc - which simply isn't true, no better or worse than any other big bodyshop. ACN way better brand and find it way easier to get work - which is critical to your success as if you find yourself on the bench at CG your career there will be shortlived..

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#5 RE: CapGemini levels / career progression /
05/11/2010 09:07

anon to informed (#3)

@jobhunter I think you got those level comparisons about right. With about 7/8 years experience you'd be looking at the C4 level

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#6 RE: CapGemini levels / career progression /
05/11/2010 09:23

jobhunter to anon (#5)

Thanks for the replies - that was quick.

@Dave it is CapGemini (hadn't even heard of Capco until I came across them on this forum)

@others

For the Cap levels, I thought those were kind of right but I am sure they'll play the usual cards.

Anyone know what their stance is on negotiating level/compensation .. . are they open or is it that we do not negotiate cos they are a big company?

Ideas on indicative pay for the top levels?

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#7 RE: CapGemini levels / career progression /
05/11/2010 10:03

anon to jobhunter (#6)

no idea about cap but if your leveling is correct they should be comparable with ACN base pay levels:

M2-M3 anywhere from 75k - 90k base depending on a number of factors.

SM1 at accenture is roughly 90k base upwards.

Lowest "partner" level (4 point something) at accenture starts at about 120k. Further up and base salary becomes much less relevant, as the incentives relate to engagement delivery targets and your slice of the sales pie.

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#8 RE: CapGemini levels / career progression /
09/11/2010 19:54

rooney to jobhunter (#1)

I know of some people who are VP's in CG, is it the same as Director ?

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#9 RE: CapGemini levels / career progression /
10/11/2010 09:50

billum to rooney (#8)

VP is the partner equivalent grade; the CG Principal (formerly Executive Consultant) grade covers Senior Manager and Director

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#10 RE: CapGemini levels / career progression /
10/11/2010 10:41

Capper to billum (#9)

Depends on the area. I would have said VP equates to Director / Partner. While Principal / EC equates to Senior Mgr. CG's pay and bonus rates are very low - no pay rises for the past two years

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#11 RE: CapGemini levels / career progression /
10/11/2010 11:20

billum to Capper (#10)

that's fair actually. the bottom end internal-promote VPs are poorly comp'd, though their targets are in line with partner targets at EY... The P/EC grade, much like Director, can also be either something you go through on the way to VP, or somewhere you get parked for ever. This year was particularly tough, with one top end EC I know having achieved a multiple of typical VP sales and delivery target but not getting promoted...

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#12 RE: CapGemini levels / career progression /
11/11/2010 05:09

rooney to billum (#11)

what pay can be expected at the director level at CG, I have 15 yrs exp with 7yrs in accenture. currently at 92k + 15k bonus at acn.

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