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Why IT consulting is hated on this forum ?

 
#1 Why IT consulting is hated on this forum ?
23/06/2010 22:36

zzh

Why do management consultants think they are better than IT consultants ? Keep aside pay, I agree Mgmt Consultants are paid better, and fine with that, but why call IT consultants as IT monkeys, Bodyshoppers.

Do you think IT work is really mundane and anyone without brain can do it ?

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#2 RE: Why IT consulting is hated on this forum ?
24/06/2010 08:15

anon to zzh (#1)

"Do you think IT work is really mundane and anyone without brain can do it ?" YES, otherwise why clients would call Capgemini for such work? And IT people are stubborn, can't see the big picture...

The real issue is elsewhere though. There is simply no such thing as IT consulting. IT guys don't advise, they just execute mundane IT tasks clients outsource to Acn and the likes. I don't have any problem with that as long as you don't call it management consulting. IT is something else, no worse, no better just another profession.

What I can't stand is IT people pretending (believing?) that what they do IS management consulting. I once met a partner at IBM (former PwC) who told me I had no experience in consulting. Yes I had worked 10 years in strategy and organisation (including McKinsey), but that was not consulting! Consulting was PMO of large IT projects!!!!

So don't call yourselves consultants and we will not call you monkeys. That's a fair deal.

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#3 RE: Why IT consulting is hated on this forum ?
24/06/2010 08:44

RC to anon (#2)

there's clearly an intersection of the two around top level IT strategy and organisational strategy for large IT functions (which with multi billion dollar budgets can be rather more significant than some entire client organisations). where the MBB firms dabble in this territory it is not always a happy result - I have seen the results of an org design for an IB IT organisation which were frankly amateurish and are openly derided by the client, and where a subsequent intervention by one of the big integrated IT shops is delivering far more value

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#4 RE: Why IT consulting is hated on this forum ?
24/06/2010 10:38

Anonimator to RC (#3)

The ego of anon's posting really is quite incredible and something you find across the board with people that just do strategy consulting.

There are many types of consulting of which IT is one branch, Strategy is another.

The reason very large IT systems integrators have become so large is that IT departments have very big budgets and spend some of that on consulting, Which in many cases means delivering an IT solution.

But make no mistake, designing a very large IT solution is as much consulting as delivering some slide to senior management.

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#5 RE: Why IT consulting is hated on this forum ?
24/06/2010 11:17

anon to Anonimator (#4)

Also worth noting that the strategy firms are regularly up against the consulting arms of the systems integrators in a lot of pitches, some of which we win against them so they're not chalk and cheese and often when we work for clients who have engaged such firms for a pice of strategy work, they don;t value the outcome massively and use us for future engagements.

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#6 RE: Why IT consulting is hated on this forum ?
24/06/2010 11:22

TH14 to Anonimator (#4)

Anonimator,

point taken in that the design piece of a systems implementation could be described as consulting.

I would argue though that by the time that you move into build and test work (which my employer seems to excel in) it is purely implementation work and cannot reasonably be described as consulting.

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#7 RE: Why IT consulting is hated on this forum ?
25/06/2010 11:51

Simpleton to TH14 (#6)

What it really boils down to is.....who cares?

If you are really bother by what others think of your career field, then you seriously need to assess yourself.

I just want to get paid, and spend it (and time) with my family and friends.

My wife doesn't care fudge all whether it's IT or Management consulting - all that matters is that we are happy.

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#8 RE: Why IT consulting is hated on this forum ?
25/06/2010 12:13

someguy to Simpleton (#7)

it's just status anxiety. you grow out of it eventually when you realize that neither profession can be considered even 1/10th as useful as being a doctor, nurse or teacher. My sister is a pediatrician and makes a real contribution to the world that all the mckinsey powerpoints couldn't match.

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#9 RE: Why IT consulting is hated on this forum ?
25/06/2010 12:38

Bin man to someguy (#8)

I keep our streets clean and free of disease. Much more valuable to the world than all you process mapping, corporate strategy and change management charlatans out there. Hehe.

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#10 RE: Why IT consulting is hated on this forum ?
25/06/2010 12:59

anon to Bin man (#9)

Not degrade either types of consulting too much as i do work in consulting but has anyone ever thought about sacking it all off and retraining in a 'profession' like law or something? I have been pondering it a lot. On the one hand i'm think money is good in consulting and long term earnings ok, on the other i'm thinking i wake up every day thinking there is no way i want to be doing this for the next 20 years!

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#11 RE: Why IT consulting is hated on this forum ?
25/06/2010 13:37

rc to anon (#10)

a headhunter described consulting to me as a "young man's game" - the willingness to take the cr*p and the lifestyle in return for 'personal development' decreases with age, while the social embarassment and uneasiness about not having a recognised and valued profession increases... law does appeal and can build on some of the experience gained, but the thought of starting training from scratch....

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#12 RE: Why IT consulting is hated on this forum ?
25/06/2010 20:21

ex IT - now Strat to rc (#11)

as someone who was an IT consultant for over 8 years and got a break into strat consulting with a top 5 strat house, I can say:

- There are inherently people who look beyond IT and strive to see 'bigger picture' - I feel I was one of them. Simple test: Ask any IT team manager how what they are doing impacts the CEO's agenda. The response to this is the key in differentiating an IT bod and a real strat person

- Those who brand themselves as strategists are actually nothing of the sort...even if they have a Harvard MBA. At the end of the day, a successful strategist is driven by fundamental thinking, not what/where they studied.

- There are people locked into the IT mindset, who could be great strategists. Some flourish, but most remain where they are. The important thing is whether they are happy...because it would be silly to have everyone as a strategist and no 'delivery' people...

Anyway, just my experience...

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#13 RE: Why IT consulting is hated on this forum ?
30/06/2010 23:11

James to ex IT - now Strat (#12)

Usually clients are not buying expensive strategy reports for the thinking. They are buying because of some internal political problem. Usually the clients aren't idiots and know the solution. Therefore there is not much thinking required.

As strategy consultants don't have a defined body of knowledge like medicine, law or IT, it is wrong to actually call themselves consultants - there is nothing to consult on (other than BS frameworks).

PS. Hospital consultants hate management consultants for stealing the term "consultant"!

Putting a web button on the screen and thinking about all the actions that can happen when somebody presses it, requires more brain power than thinking through a market forecast in an excel worksheet

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