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Did PA or EDS ever pay for the data losses?

 
#1 Did PA or EDS ever pay for the data losses?
13/06/2010 19:48

anon

It must have cost us taxpayers tens of millions of pounds to put right the damage cause by the idiots in PA and EDS who were so careless in handling UK citizens data.

Were either of those companies sued? If not, then I think it should be high on the agenda of the ConLibs - as this country needs every penny it can get

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#2 RE: Did PA or EDS ever pay for the data losses?
14/06/2010 09:28

Former EDSer to anon (#1)

What did we (EDS) loose?

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#3 RE: Did PA or EDS ever pay for the data losses?
14/06/2010 12:16

anon to Former EDSer (#2)

What? Where have you been?

EDS lost a hard drive with details of 100.000 members of the armed forces, as well as details of 5,000 prison officers and they have walked away withput paying a single penny.

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#4 RE: Did PA or EDS ever pay for the data losses?
14/06/2010 12:38

anon to anon (#3)

Why didn't they keep their gobs shut about it and just make another copy?

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#5 RE: Did PA or EDS ever pay for the data losses?
14/06/2010 19:13

Errr to anon (#1)

Why should they be sued. What was the actual loss or additional expense incurred? More to the point, the NHS is responsible for half of all the data losses reported to the ICO - should the NHS be sued as well?

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#6 RE: Did PA or EDS ever pay for the data losses?
17/06/2010 10:00

anon to Errr (#5)

"More to the point, the NHS is responsible for half of all the data losses reported to the ICO - should the NHS be sued as well?"

Possibly, but one public sector org suing another is a zero sum game.

EDS and PA were potentially remiss in their professional duty of care in handling sensitive UK citizens data. The costs to remedy the mess they have left behind ran into millions.

Why should the taxpayer foot the bill for them?

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#7 RE: Did PA or EDS ever pay for the data losses?
17/06/2010 10:59

Oudthorn to anon (#6)

Word on the street is that they both have made major payouts to the UK government for these debacles.

Any court case or settlement would likely be covered by the Official Secrets Act or just a vanilla non-disclosure agreement if they settled out of court.

And so, we the British taxpayers, will never know the truth of it.

I suppose we can all take some solace that both of these organisations are struggling, and will continue to do so while they are still so heavily exposed to the UK public sector.

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#8 RE: Did PA or EDS ever pay for the data losses?
17/06/2010 21:23

anon to anon (#6)

Let's try the simple question again shall we?

"The costs to remedy the mess they have left behind ran into millions."

What were the remedies and what were the costs?

Or are you just talking out of your derrière?

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#9 RE: Did PA or EDS ever pay for the data losses?
18/06/2010 09:08

Doctor No to anon (#8)

It really is a disgrace that big companies like these get away with so much. Has Accenture ever paid for the NHS IT mess either

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#10 RE: Did PA or EDS ever pay for the data losses?
18/06/2010 23:15

Anon to Doctor No (#9)

If consultants got sued for every mistake or mess they left behind at a client the industry would disappear! Granted, PA are a dreadful outfit, but some other consultancies aren't paragons of virtue either.

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#11 RE: Did PA or EDS ever pay for the data losses?
19/06/2010 08:27

anon2 to Anon (#10)

The industry would be a lot better off if some of the less reputable companies, like PA Consulting, were forced out of business

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#12 RE: Did PA or EDS ever pay for the data losses?
19/06/2010 11:54

Anon to anon2 (#11)

With regards the comments above re: "The industry would be a lot better off if some of the less reputable companies, like PA Consulting, were forced out of business".

Market forces dictate would is in and out of business. It's easy to criticise companies based on perceptions but the reality is few people could grow a serveral hundred million pound per annum business and if a company really were that bad in such a competitive market they wouldn't last long.

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#13 RE: Did PA or EDS ever pay for the data losses?
19/06/2010 13:17

BOPper to Anon (#12)

PA are now about 60% of the size they were in 2007, and closing international offices by the day. It won't be long before they wind the whole place up - esp now that the Government gravy train has gonev t1ts up for them

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#14 RE: Did PA or EDS ever pay for the data losses?
19/06/2010 22:31

PAer to BOPper (#13)

They've also sub-let half of 123 which isn't a great sign. Half of Government is OTC as well.

Not good.

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#15 RE: Did PA or EDS ever pay for the data losses?
20/06/2010 12:21

anon to PAer (#14)

The rumour is that Government practice is not long for this world

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#16 RE: Did PA or EDS ever pay for the data losses?
21/06/2010 18:38

ex-PAer to anon (#15)

What they going to do with it - sack everyone and close it down?

Or sell it to Deloitte?

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#17 RE: Did PA or EDS ever pay for the data losses?
21/06/2010 22:26

err@rr.com to ex-PAer (#16)

"What they going to do with it - sack everyone and close it down?"

They won't need to - natural attrition will take care of things.

The people and reward strategy review team have spent six months proving that PA comes nearly bottom against all competitors on pay, holiday, bonus, shares, travel allowance, benefits and career progression.

Judging by the rate that people are voting with their feet, it won't be too long until the management committee no longer have to worry themselves trying to decide if paying fair wages and competitive benefits is a good thing for the long term share price or not.

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#18 RE: Did PA or EDS ever pay for the data losses?
22/06/2010 08:09

MIP man to err@rr.com (#17)

Utilisation figures are well down - how can we pay for pay rises?

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#19 RE: Did PA or EDS ever pay for the data losses?
22/06/2010 13:18

Moses to MIP man (#18)

How many have really left this year?

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#20 RE: Did PA or EDS ever pay for the data losses?
22/06/2010 18:46

PAer to Moses (#19)

It's got to be at least 15-20% of the consultancy staff (c 300). There were a few weeks of 30 people leaving each week.

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#21 RE: Did PA or EDS ever pay for the data losses?
23/06/2010 08:45

anon to PAer (#20)

Wow !! Attrition running at 20%, and we are only half way through the year. Sad to see such a rapid decline.

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#22 RE: Did PA or EDS ever pay for the data losses?
23/06/2010 09:06

RC to anon (#21)

we keep hearing of hordes of people leaving PA, E&Y et al voluntarily - so if this is the case, who is making the corresponding vast numbers of new hires?

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#23 RE: Did PA or EDS ever pay for the data losses?
23/06/2010 09:14

anon to RC (#22)

ACN, IBM, CG, Deloitte, KPMG - all hiring aggressively

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#24 RE: Did PA or EDS ever pay for the data losses?
25/06/2010 09:01

Simon from POE to anon (#23)

Yes, but I can only do process mapping for public sector quangos. Its all I know - who will hire me now ?

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#25 RE: Did PA or EDS ever pay for the data losses?
30/06/2010 20:55

PA Pro to Simon from POE (#24)

What the PA bashers (who are the low performing PA folks who know they have to move on to low rate 'consultancies') forget is that the value we have added to our clients pales into insignificance losing a bit of data. I mean, for FFS, who has died out of a few records going missing (electronically) - all media and low performer hype.

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#26 RE: Did PA or EDS ever pay for the data losses?
01/07/2010 08:18

ex-BOPper to PA Pro (#25)

I worked in the BOP practice for almost three years, and never saw a single project implemented properly by PA. Perhaps this is why BOP failed so dramatically. From what I hear, POE is going down the cr@pper too.

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#27 RE: Did PA or EDS ever pay for the data losses?
01/07/2010 23:55

POE bear to deleted (#0)

The (w)hole company is going down the cra@pper.

PMSL

Just look at all the people who have left or been shoved out over the past 1 - 2 years

We are down to less than 1500 fee earning staff in the uk now

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#28 RE: Did PA or EDS ever pay for the data losses?
02/07/2010 09:28

Unbiased ExPAer to POE bear (#27)

POE Bear if you are going to air your anger at PA on this forum at least make it factually correct.

I have not been with PA for over a year however in the years that I was there the size of the UK business was only ever 1200-1300 Client staff at its peak when public sector was booming.

vent your frustrations at PA yes, however if you are going to quote numbers at least make them credible

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#29 RE: Did PA or EDS ever pay for the data losses?
02/07/2010 09:31

anon to Unbiased ExPAer (#28)

Ahhh !! I remeber the glory days of 2007, pre memory sticks and Terminal 5, when PA were over 2,200 staff in the UK

Oh how the mighty have fallen

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#30 RE: Did PA or EDS ever pay for the data losses?
05/07/2010 13:32

Anon to anon (#29)

I agree, it is fantastic to hope that a company will go under so all those hardworking suckers who just get on and do a good job won't have a job any more and in the current climate might struggle to get another job so they could end up getting kicked out their homes and having to find some other way to support their kids. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha.

Some of you people who post on here are absolute to$$ers.

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#31 RE: Did PA or EDS ever pay for the data losses?
05/07/2010 15:04

Forum Fan to Anon (#30)

You corporate cheerleaders are complete to$$ers

Why blame staff for the mis-management of the company? You should be directing your anger at the greedy partners who have suckled at the public sector teet for too long, and now have no clue how to save the business

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#32 RE: Did PA or EDS ever pay for the data losses?
05/07/2010 15:33

Anon to Forum Fan (#31)

Forum Fan - don't work at PA and never have and probably never will. And even if I did, had or would, that would not make any difference to how sickening some of the posts are on here. Yours included. To take any sort of glee from someone else's misfortune is just pathetic.

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#33 RE: Did PA or EDS ever pay for the data losses?
12/11/2010 12:44

FRED SMITH to anon (#1)

Lets not forget ATOS also who lost data stick (left in a pub in Scotland) and also in London LSP doing work for BT.

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