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ATK/Roland Berger Vs Deloitte

 
#1 ATK/Roland Berger Vs Deloitte
11/03/2010 23:30

Curious

Would you recommend leaving Deloitte after 2 years (Grad) and go to ATK/Monitor/Roland Berger? How does the increase in prestige and opportunities (and salary?) stack against loss of internal networks, recognition (non monetary) of eminence at what you do...

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#2 RE: ATK/Roland Berger Vs Deloitte
12/03/2010 01:01

anon to Curious (#1)

I would have thought that kind of leap after 2 years would be fine precisely because you are unlikely to have any networks or eminence of real significance at this early stage.

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#3 RE: ATK/Roland Berger Vs Deloitte
12/03/2010 08:26

Mars A Day to Curious (#1)

Yes absolutely. Although Deloitte has a very strong brand they seem to be in real disarray at present. Not sure I would call it a 'leap' strictly speaking - you cannot really compare Deloitte with RB or ATK it's oranges and lemons - but if you want to move on at 2 years then you need to move to RB or ATK with the view to do at least 3 or 4 years or risk your CV becoming fragmented.

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#4 RE: ATK/Roland Berger Vs Deloitte
12/03/2010 17:05

Tony Restell to Mars A Day (#3)

I agree with Mars. I wouldn't usually expect candidates considering their options with ATK/Monitor/Roland Berger to also be mentioning Deloitte in the same breath. They are just totally different businesses in terms of scale, focus of services and likely career path.

I also don't think you'd make it through interview with any of the above firms if you couldn't convincingly state why you think pursuing a career with them would be superior to staying put; by which I don't mean to put Deloitte down but just to stress that most consultants you'd be interviewed by at these firms would consider their firms pretty prestigious and would not feel like they should be justifying why you should choose to move from Deloitte.

Hope this helps and all the best with any move.

Tony Restell

Top-Consultant.com

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#5 RE: ATK/Roland Berger Vs Deloitte
12/03/2010 17:26

Curious to Tony Restell (#4)

Mars, Tony, perfectly valid points thanks.

I'm just a bit worried if actually articulating "I know RB/ATK are strides above the Big 4" would be misconstrued as disloyalty to my current firm?

Do recruiters sympathise with someone who is just a bit dissatisfied with the opportunities available and a mismatch between skills and said opportunities and wants to move to 'better' things?

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#6 RE: ATK/Roland Berger Vs Deloitte
13/03/2010 17:33

Anon to Curious (#5)

If at all possible would any of the above be able rto summarise there views of what Deloitte 'is' in terms of its consulting offering. As a relatively new grad looking to move into consulting this woud be interesting.

Thanks in advance

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#7 RE: ATK/Roland Berger Vs Deloitte
13/03/2010 21:13

DC to Anon (#6)

Here you go:

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=deloitte+consulting

Also:

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=spellcheck

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#8 RE: ATK/Roland Berger Vs Deloitte
14/03/2010 00:16

anon to DC (#7)

My question appears to have been ridiculed somewhat. I'm not sure to what extent my question was unclear or whether some people just like to belittle others. I do not wish to google Deloitte; rather I would be interested in hearing the views of genuine posters of this forum.

Thanks in advance

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#9 RE: ATK/Roland Berger Vs Deloitte
15/03/2010 08:50

Mars A Day to Curious (#5)

Curious you said 'I'm just a bit worried if actually articulating "I know RB/ATK are strides above the Big 4" would be misconstrued as disloyalty to my current firm?'.

To ask this question misses the point somewhat, and it's a point that Tony alluded to in his post.

RB/ATK won't see this point about being strides ahead of the Big 4 as being a valid point at all - they are very different in almost every respect. I am always suspcious of a motivation to move which rest solely on perceived reputation and trying to broker brands - if you want to have a chance at RB/ATK then you need to identify what it is that they can offer you (and you them) that you cannot find in Big4.

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#10 RE: ATK/Roland Berger Vs Deloitte
15/03/2010 10:42

Anon to Mars A Day (#9)

Mars,

Keen to hear your views on why you feel Deloitte is in disarray at the moment?

Seems in good shape to me, though perhaps a bit rocky in the lead up to an imminent shake up in strategy.

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#11 RE: ATK/Roland Berger Vs Deloitte
15/03/2010 12:52

Mars A Day to Anon (#10)

It's always interesting to see a firm the size of Deloitte in a bit of turmoil.

Reports I am getting from sources is that there are conflicting silos at the top within Deloitte pulling them on one side towards an SI model, the other towards a BAS type approach, which I would assume is S+O stamping it's feet. More ringfencing of individual practice lines and partners' fiefdoms would be in order to stop the incestuous pinching, encroaching and bun fights for a % of revenue at the top.

Disarray yes, but still formidable. For the moment they seem to have lost their momentum, seems to be EY and PwC which are mopping up in the confusion. Deloitte will settle down again and be playing catch up quite badly in certain sectors.

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