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PA 2010 bonus

 
#1 PA 2010 bonus
05/03/2010 09:54

PA Person

So anyone wanna share????

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#2 RE: PA 2010 bonus
05/03/2010 10:21

AMiddleton to PA Person (#1)

Mines massive!

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#3 RE: PA 2010 bonus
05/03/2010 13:36

Bored of all this nonsense to AMiddleton (#2)

Yeah - but what about your bonus?

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#4 RE: PA 2010 bonus
05/03/2010 13:47

Mark Thomas to Bored of all this nonsense (#3)

Mine was Zombietastic

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#5 RE: PA 2010 bonus
05/03/2010 16:08

Govt to Mark Thomas (#4)

2 PC in Govt despite 80% utilisation

£6,000 - lowest ever

Seems to be a lot of 1's around this year

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#6 RE: PA 2010 bonus
06/03/2010 11:38

anon to Govt (#5)

What's wrong with a £6K bonus? Sounds pretty damn good to me.

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#7 RE: PA 2010 bonus
06/03/2010 12:18

Govt to anon (#6)

PA's basic is MUCH lower than other companies, but this is made up for in bonus. My bonus two yeards ago was £15k, and similar last year.

The £6k figure translates into £2.3k net, once employers taxes, and deferred elements have been removed. No wonder people are leaving.

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#8 RE: PA 2010 bonus
06/03/2010 12:27

PA Lurker to Govt (#7)

Dear Govt - as far as I know no bonus award confirmation letters have been given out in the Government Practice (or other Practices yet) so I can't see how you could know your bonus yet.

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#9 RE: PA 2010 bonus
06/03/2010 14:23

Govt to PA Lurker (#8)

Suggest you discuss this with your partner. It varies by practice group.

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#10 RE: PA 2010 bonus
06/03/2010 22:44

Anon to Govt (#9)

Dear Govt - open up a browser and go to www.google.com. Type in the words "recession, global, 2009" and read what comes up. You might want to email some of the people who were made redundant at the end of last year to see what they think of your ridiculous post.

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#11 RE: PA 2010 bonus
07/03/2010 16:56

Anon to Anon (#10)

Here here anon the first. Maybe the brain is already drained

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#12 RE: PA 2010 bonus
07/03/2010 18:25

anon the first to Anon (#11)

It's "Hear ! Hear!", not "Here here" you tw@t

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#13 RE: PA 2010 bonus
07/03/2010 19:40

PA fan (not a partner) to anon the first (#12)

To the brain drainers ... bye. Nobody is indispensible. People have come and gone and PA is still doing ok.

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#14 RE: PA 2010 bonus
07/03/2010 20:25

anon the first to PA fan (not a partner) (#13)

PA is still doing OK????

Are you 'avin a laff ??

PA have lost almost a third of their staff over the past two years - they have closed most of their international offices and are still overexposed to the UK public sector.

You need to wake up buddy. With insight like that, it is easy to see why you are not a consulting partner, and will never be one

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#15 RE: PA 2010 bonus
07/03/2010 20:55

PAer to anon the first (#14)

Agree with anon the first. PA is haemorrhaging staff at an incredible rate.

Which is quite strange because the 2009 results are looking not bad and certainly better than some of our competitors.

I think that ultimately many people just don't want to work here anymore.

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#16 RE: PA 2010 bonus
07/03/2010 22:58

MBB genius to PAer (#15)

why don't you PA people who are constantly complaining about how bad the company is just leave? I don't get why people stay somewhere they don't enjoy. If you are any good, which of course I doubt, you'll get something at another Tier 3 company.

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#17 RE: PA 2010 bonus
08/03/2010 07:32

recruiter to MBB genius (#16)

Why don't they leave? The market is flooded with PA Crummy sulting CVs. Everyone there is trying to leave

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#18 RE: PA 2010 bonus
08/03/2010 20:30

ex PA to recruiter (#17)

Indeed. I had to go away and do valuable things as a contractor before anyone would look again at my PA-stained CV. PA was the worst career choice I ever made. I also can't believe that one of the posters is naive enough to think that if you don't like an organisation it's your fault if you can't leave straight away (and in a recession too... doh!). Also, if you hate the organisation you're in it also pays to make sure that your next move genuinely improves things rather than rush into the first thing. Although it is difficult to think what might be worse than PA!

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#19 RE: PA 2010 bonus
08/03/2010 20:57

mack to ex PA (#18)

I had 3 years PA on my CV. I applied for three jobs, secured 3 interviews and then had offers for all 3. All were at higher grades and packages.

Fortunately I had spent my time at PA taking on lead roles in big projects and programmes in both public and private sector. I also made a point of learning from my colleagues and clients and making the most of my experiences.

If only I had spent a bit more time moaning on forums about how PA had blighted my life I might not be in a well paid challenging role in an investment bank now!

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#20 RE: PA 2010 bonus
09/03/2010 07:49

Too perfect to mack (#19)

If you genuinely have a successful role in an investment bank why on earth would you be spending any time on a consultancy forum?

Could you perhaps be another PA Corporate stooge?

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#21 RE: PA 2010 bonus
09/03/2010 09:48

mack's back to mack (#19)

Hey mack

Hmmm… 3 offers all offering better money and each time a promotion? Sounds like you were typically done over by PA’s lowballing staff on pay rises and career progression. Bet you’re glad you’re out of that place, if they couldn’t acknowledge your stellar talent.

And now you’ve got a cracking job in Investment Banking?? Good for you to have left the murky depths of PA’s public sector consulting model so fat behind.

There are two possible conclusions to draw from your story:

Either ..

1) You are a genius whose talent was overlooked by myopic partners at PA Consulting, and who were quite probably threatened by your prowess

Or…

2) You are talking through your back pocket – and are just another bitter PA cheerleader who can’t understand why everyone is so unhappy doing process mapping for local government with PA. You probably would leave, if you could, but are greeted with derision by other employers when another PA CV with nil specialism and no private sector experience is presented to them.

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#22 RE: PA 2010 bonus
09/03/2010 09:51

Successful because of PA to Too perfect (#20)

Too perfect - Brilliant response. The default response to any post that that isn't negative. I am no longer in PA (I was there for six years and was an MC before I left) and when I decided to leave I applied to four companies, two via an excellent recruiter, and was offered three of them.

As mack says, maybe I should have spent more time on here moaning about how PA had ruined my life and I too might not be in a well paid challenging role outside of PA.

I have a bet with two colleagues on how quickly the whingers will respond to this claiming I am a stooge. I'll let you know the winner when the inevitable is posted.

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#23 RE: PA 2010 bonus
09/03/2010 10:00

Forum Fan to Successful because of PA (#22)

If we accept that:

a) some people don't like PA for some reason and don't think it is a great place to work

b) some people do like PA, regardless of whether they are partners or corporate stooges

can we move away from the rather childish bickering that goes on here. This site is supposed to be, in my humble opinion, for professional people seeking advice and guidance from likeminded individuals. Going over and over the same things doesn't add any value to this forum and is likely to put people off visiting and/or contributing.

Just my view as an outsider.

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#24 RE: PA 2010 bonus
09/03/2010 10:06

anon the first to Successful because of PA (#22)

You're not a stooge buddy - more of a tw1t, if you think that anyone believes your nonsense.

Either that or PA have lost the greatest genius they ever hired ... I doubt that somehow.

Interesting that Forum Fan yet again posts duplicate (or sometimes triplicate) posts, asking people not to discuss PA. Why is this? PA gets a lot of attention on this forum, and deservedly so

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#25 RE: PA 2010 bonus
09/03/2010 10:24

Forum Fan to deleted (#0)

anon the first, I am not trying to stop people commenting on any firms. It just needs to be new and helpful. People also need to recognise that there are valid views other than their own.

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#26 RE: PA 2010 bonus
09/03/2010 10:28

anon the second to Forum Fan (#25)

Forum Fan - you claim to be an outsider with no knowledge of PA, so what is your problem with PA staff discussing their company on here? It is not a happy place to work, and the partners don't listen to staff concerns so it is no surprise that PA staff use an open forum like this to discuss their concerns.

If you don't like it - dont open the thread

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#27 RE: PA 2010 bonus
09/03/2010 11:31

mack to Too perfect (#20)

The wonders of mobile internet and a long commute. Just trying to stand up for a firm that seems to come in for an unfair level of criticism.

I'm not saying there aren't faults with PA, but the rants on here are out of all proportion.

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#28 RE: PA 2010 bonus
09/03/2010 16:48

Fan of Forum Fan to deleted (#0)

To be fair to Forum Fan he/she didn't open the thread. Opening threads isn't the problem as the whingers always manage to get their dreary moans in regardless of the content. Move on, people are bored with the same stuff on here.

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#29 RE: PA 2010 bonus
09/03/2010 20:29

another PA person to PA Person (#1)

I got a "high 3" with 97% utilisation and my mate from another practice got a 2 with low 70's utilisation. We both got the same percentage bonus, and I got 60% less in cash terms than last year.

So much for PA's transparent reward system - the message to staff would seem to be:

"don't bother going the extra mile; it won't be recognised and per hour of time you put in on practice extras you'd make more working the overtime at the local corner shop".

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#30 RE: PA 2010 bonus
10/03/2010 13:02

another PAer to another PA person (#29)

11% for mid 2, no rise

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#31 RE: PA 2010 bonus
10/03/2010 14:23

PA PC to another PAer (#30)

£6k and nil pay rise, despite making all the targets. Closer to £2.5k net - after all the deductions. Talk about a kick in the teeth.

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#32 RE: PA 2010 bonus
10/03/2010 15:37

Mr Cool to PA PC (#31)

At the risk of inviting a whole load of “PA is cr@p” posts, can I pose a serious question?

What is the explanation that PA are providing to justify these bonuses given they are clearly below expectations? Has the firm made/failed to make a profit this year? Is the firm “retaining” a higher percentage of profit than normal in order to ride our future storms?

Please don’t just reply with any old garbage – I’m genuinely interested in the comms that a firm would put out with when this sort of thing happens.

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#33 RE: PA 2010 bonus
10/03/2010 16:01

Anon to Mr Cool (#32)

<i><b>Is the firm “retaining” a higher percentage of profit than normal in order to ride our future storms? </b> </i>

<img src="http://lorrimichals.com/images/outside_audience_laughing_hard.jpg">

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#34 RE: PA 2010 bonus
10/03/2010 17:52

Mr Cool to Anon (#33)

Like the post(card) - seriously. But is there any danger of you adding some factual content.

Again - what is the official comms that is being offered to explain the bonuses?

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#35 RE: PA 2010 bonus
10/03/2010 20:18

CD to Mr Cool (#34)

The net asset value based share price still went up a lot though so it's not all bad news.

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#36 RE: PA 2010 bonus
11/03/2010 10:51

PAer to Mr Cool (#32)

@ Mr Cool "What is the explanation that PA are providing to justify these bonuses given they are clearly below expectations?"

Unfortunately, this has been handled badly by the company.

The attitude is still very much similar to that of many of the contributors here: if you don't like your lot here - then leave.

PA are still hiring in certain pockets... for example, they are trying to break into FS again, but have struggled to do this on previous attempts.

They are also actively hiring MCs across most practices - these are the sales engine, that get all the pressure of partners, but a fraction of the remuneration.

The company is still contracting overall, so there is no great concern about staff leaving. It avoids another farcical redundancy round

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#37 RE: PA 2010 bonus
11/03/2010 11:00

anon to PAer (#36)

<b><i>"The attitude is still very much similar to that of many of the contributors here: if you don't like your lot here - then leave."</b></i>

I've noticed another trend amongst many of the contributors here. Not about PA, but just generally about anything including interactions with recruitment agents. Often, it is said that: if you don't like your lot here - then it's because you're cr@p.

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#38 RE: PA 2010 bonus
11/03/2010 12:05

Mr Cool to PAer (#36)

Hi PA-er,

I understand you feel that PA are handling their bonus situation badly, but what exactly are they actually saying when they hand out the cheques?

e.g. Here is you cheque for 3K, sorry its not the 15K you feel you deserve, as it was in year 200X, but...

a) ...even though you hit your targets, your practice area did not

b) ...even though you and your practice hit all your targets, the company did not

c) ...even though the company made their targets, we're holding some back for the trouble we foresee

d) ...even though the company made its targets, more has to be paid to partners, cos we can't do with less.

e)... you shouldn't have had such high expectations, 200x was a one-off miracle year

There is a lot of (understandable) emotion about PA on these boards. The official reasoning behind lower than expected bonuses should be a strong pointer beyond that emotion to the objective problem of the firm, e.g. everyone is underperforming, some teams are dragging down the minority/majority, the partners are getting greedy.

Has anyone at PA actually asked why their bonus is smaller than they expected?

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#39 RE: PA 2010 bonus
11/03/2010 13:47

ZB to Mr Cool (#38)

Listen all you nonsense process mapping Level 3 high priests who apply their 'management consulting' talents to PA. It's a nonsense firm, doing boring work for boring people. But things are not that much greener anywhere else: fundamentally, it's all the same irrespective of what firm you choose to apply your labour: it's all about PMO rubbish, process mapping (or design as the charlatan's new found vernacular) and generally being a dog's body on some large scale business transformation.

All you labourers who have vision or inate belief that your are enhancing performance, or providing superior value are as much confused as the humiliating jargon you lot incessantly spew.

ZB

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#40 RE: PA 2010 bonus
11/03/2010 14:36

Bellini to PA Person (#1)

PC on a 3 end of year score - got 29% and a pay rise.

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#41 RE: PA 2010 bonus
11/03/2010 17:20

Ouch to Bellini (#40)

Harsh (but true) even for ZB's standards.

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#42 RE: PA 2010 bonus
11/03/2010 17:20

PAer to Bellini (#40)

PC, score 3, bonus - 12%, nil pay rise

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#43 RE: PA 2010 bonus
13/03/2010 15:56

pc to deleted (#0)

24 % bonus and a small pay rise for a '3' at year end.

Not bad all things considered.

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#44 RE: PA 2010 bonus
14/03/2010 12:03

PA PC to pc (#43)

The amount of misinformation on here is astounding.

No one who got a 3 got anything like a 20%+ pay rise. I got a 3 and was told that my 15% was top end.

Pay rises are only for a small number of 4s. No one at 3 got a pay rise.

Share price is up a bit - so be happy

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#45 RE: PA 2010 bonus
14/03/2010 12:37

pc to PA PC (#44)

I hate to tell you PA pc, but you're wrong.

And, of course you were told 15% was top end - duh !

In your defence, 15% might be top end for whichever practice you're in (and 'no' I'm not in a practice which typically gives higher bonuses)

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#46 RE: PA 2010 bonus
14/03/2010 13:45

ed to pc (#45)

To the PC who got to 15% is high end, I was told that as well. Then I worked out that as one of the supposedly higher performing and more experienced PCs in our practice, my share of the PC bonus pool should at least have been equal to the average of the "total PC bonus pool" listed on the print out.

Based on the number of PCs in our practice and the size of the pool, I got less than average despite being told I was at the top end of the range.

Given a couple of people got 1s and some people have already resigned, the Partners must actually think we are quite thick based on their blatant misinformation re: the averages.

For all the talk about PA being employee owned and transparent, it's one of the least transparent and poorly managed firms in the market.

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#47 RE: PA 2010 bonus
14/03/2010 17:36

PAer to ed (#46)

It depends on your practice a lot. As a PC I got 24% bonus and 6% pay rise with a 3.

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#48 RE: PA 2010 bonus
17/03/2010 03:10

Enough Already to PAer (#47)

Fed-up with all the corporate BS from PA. Disgusted with derisory bonus and payrise - furious with myself that I stayed 3 months for 12%...

Despite the gloom mongers, and quite a long period of "PA blight"on my CV - I already have two offers of 25% rises in basic and expect to close the deal on the 33% offer from another firm later this week... as ever wait until the money's in the bank folks before doing anything with the corporate HR joker's always trying to screw us...

Let's see how many people are left a month after bonus day.....wishing GL to everyone ho's left behind...

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#49 RE: PA 2010 bonus
18/05/2010 23:03

Lou to Enough Already (#48)

So how many are left then?

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#50 RE: PA 2010 bonus
21/05/2010 19:32

RC to Lou (#49)

Quite a lot less than last week.

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#51 RE: PA 2010 bonus
25/05/2010 20:58

PAer to RC (#50)

There will be a lot less following yesterday's cuts - voluntary or otherwise.

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#52 RE: PA 2010 bonus
26/05/2010 12:52

ex-ab to PAer (#51)

I doubt it - where would they go? The market is already stuffed with public sector process mappers

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#53 RE: PA 2010 bonus
27/05/2010 21:42

Anon to ex-ab (#52)

There have been more cuts at PA?

Anyone know more about it?

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#54 RE: PA 2010 bonus
27/05/2010 23:18

PAer to deleted (#0)

More that there has been cuts in PA projects - ID cards, Fire Control, Contact Point, etc.

Hear they are thinking of disbanding the Government practice things are so bad.

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#55 RE: PA 2010 bonus
28/05/2010 14:21

POE bear to PAer (#54)

POE should also close too. The POC takeover of BOP has been an unmitigated disaster. There is constant inter-nicene war between the legacy practices.

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#56 RE: PA 2010 bonus
29/05/2010 12:54

Anon to POE bear (#55)

But isn't disbanding the Govt pratice almost like unravelling PA? All they ever seemed to do while I was there was public sector work. These (much needed) govt cutbacks must be a total hammer blow for PA. Sure, they can ride out for a while on their deep cash reserves but it could get to be an even more demoralising place to work. Other consultancies have credentials in industries like FS and utilities where there is hope and some evidence of recovery but PA has no significant presence in any of these as far as I can see.

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#57 RE: PA 2010 bonus
29/05/2010 16:42

As venal as they come to Anon (#56)

The little man should have sold up last year while the going was still good.

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#58 RE: PA 2010 bonus
30/05/2010 16:20

zed to As venal as they come (#57)

More cuts are indeed on the way - this time at MC and PC levels.

POE certainly will (and should be) be hit hard - the merger there just hasn't worked, and the Partners and MCs are useless.

I haven't heard much about Ceridian or anyone else trying to buy them in recent months. I would say that a sale of a large public sector consultancy like PA would be very difficult to pull off in the current climate.

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#59 RE: PA 2010 bonus
31/05/2010 13:56

Jon M to zed (#58)

Me.. sold ... have .. I ... should ....aaaaaaaaah

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#60 RE: PA 2010 bonus
31/05/2010 23:32

Smithers to Jon M (#59)

It's just not the same since old Monty Byrnes (or wee Jon as his two friends called him) finally retired.

All the compassion has gone

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#61 RE: PA 2010 bonus
06/06/2010 20:49

lean and mean to Smithers (#60)

More of the Lean practice left to join EY last week

I am not quite sure what the purpose of thr POO practice is now - but neither are our partners or clients

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#62 RE: PA 2010 bonus
06/06/2010 21:13

PAer to lean and mean (#61)

8 people have left the FS practice in the last month alone (out of about 30).

Not good.

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