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Celerant vs. Proudfoot

 
#1 Celerant vs. Proudfoot
19/05/2004 15:19

Tim

Who'd like to share their opinions on the relative merits of Celerant and Proudfoot? I heard some scary stories about Proudfoot a year ago. Are they now back on it and retaining and nurturing their staff? Any info welcome. Thanks, Tim.

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#2 Re: Celerant vs. Proudfoot
21/05/2004 21:54

FG

hi tim, I worked three year for proudfoot, and before two years for a smaller consultancy which was bought by proufoot. There are some funny stories about proudfoot - the truth is there lots of happy and some really unhappy clients. Implemenation consultantcy is a tough business: the consultants are brought in by the client to install "change" (new organisation, productivity, lay-offs...). Sometimes the consultant will over-estimate the achievable targets in order to make the sell. As a consequence achieving the targets gets nearly impossible which tends to makes top clients rather unhappy. Most of the time projects do hit their targets and clients actually improve their business. proudfoot has a really strong training organisation called people solution which is an usp in this business. the management team is pretty weak due to the departure of key personell over the last three years and the lack of any HR function. the consultants are international mix of bright young people, but also here the top-performers have left. I do not know Celerant at all - I believe they are very similar in the strategy and client base. I read they have a more flexibly pricing approach (success fees). Some folks have worked for both companies in the past which does not surprise me. Hope this was helpful. So what do you think and why are you interested in those two consultancies? FG

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#3 Re: Celerant vs. Proudfoot
22/05/2004 04:15

Fred

Celerant is a Proudfoot spinoff going back to 1987.

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#4 Re: Celerant vs. Proudfoot
23/05/2004 11:00

Tim

Thanks for the advice above. I got in contact with both firms through a recruiting agent. I'd initially be looking at strategy consulting, but I've found that operations seems to suit my background as a constultant engineer. I have an offer from Celerant, and an interview coming up with Proudfoot. Hopefully I'll be able to compare the firms in context after that interview.

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#5 Re: Celerant vs. Proudfoot
02/06/2004 22:11

KARS

Proudfoot have a tried and tested methodology for selling their services, which many enlightened people would call tired and old hat. There is a very good reason they have a high turnover of personnel, and yes, there are still some great people there, but many more have left. Business itself is fundamentally unsound - they rely on the big sale, big client and big projects - which they have to since there billing rates are rediculous. If you don't mind hire and fire, like the possibility of being posted to Zaire if that is the only place they have managed to sell something etc then Proudfoot is the place for you. Frankly, it is miraculous any CEO's are stupid enough to fall for it any more.

As for Celerent...great French MD. However, their set up is quite restrictive from a personnel point of view. They have 'sectors' - if your main experience is automotive, that's where you'd be (if they have work), and you would be up against very experienced sector speicialists when it comes to advancement. Once in a sector, difficult to transfer - Celerent is notorious for 'fiefdoms', and is highly political.

So...who to go for...mmmm...go for the cash, get yourself trained in implementation methodology (i.e. make your mistakes fast) then move on...become a freelance...join the contractor section on top consultant...earn more, be free...but above all...deliver to your client.

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#6 Re: Celerant vs. Proudfoot
09/09/2004 20:35

Job Hunter

Tim, could you drop me a mail? I am about to interview for Celerant and would really appreciate the opportunity to draw from your experience

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