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Can a Chartered Quantity Surveyor become employed with the "big four" in portfolio management, capital tax consultancy or management consultancy upon completion of an MBA 2008?

 
#1 Can a Chartered Quantity Surveyor become employed with the "big four" in portfolio management, capital tax consultancy or management consultancy upon completion of an MBA 2008?
14/06/2007 23:08

Chartered Surveyor

Hi everyone,

I am a Chartered Quantity Surveyor with 10 years relevant professional experience in surveying and construction. I started an MBA in Construction and Real Estate (includes Project Management) last year through distance learning, and shall finish around June next year. I have not had "hands-on" experience in portfolio management, capital tax allowance advice or management consultancy. What are my chances of getting a position with any of the "big 4" in any of these areas upon completion of my course in 2008?

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#2 RE: Can a Chartered Quantity Surveyor become employed with the "big four" in portfolio management, capital tax consultancy or management consultancy upon completion of an MBA 2008?
15/06/2007 04:42

Chartered Surveyor to deleted (#0)

Thanks for your advice 'two two four nine'..., but don't you think that companies such as Citibank, Barclay's, KPMG and Price Water House have client's that require portfolio, investment and fund management? / - of which the core skills of a Chartered QS (life-cycle costing, the ability to understand construction, cost management, cost planning, feasibility studies, contract management and valuations) puts such an individual in a strong position? We are talking about a Chartered QS here with an MBA in construction and Real Estate. Most big companies have clients that invest in Real Estate. Should my background in construction, experience of construction costs not put me in an excellent position? All such skills, knowledge and experience are directly transferable. Armed with an MBA and 10 years experience as a Chartered Accountant, - there would be significant interest, no doubt! Why not if I were a a Chartered QS with 10 years experience an an MBA in construction and Real Estate? I would argue that such an individual would be better placed than 'the accountant' (as above) as to get into asset / portfolio management or tax allowance consultancy; - one needs to be knowledgable in construction and property; and have an understanding of construction costs and value - as well as life-cycle costing and capital tax allowance advice in order to provide clients with sound investment advice in Real Estate.

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#3 RE: Can a Chartered Quantity Surveyor become employed with the "big four" in portfolio management, capital tax consultancy or management consultancy upon completion of an MBA 2008?
15/06/2007 04:55

anon to Chartered Surveyor (#2)

If you know the answer why ask the question? Sorry to be harsh but are you just looking for some kind of confidence boost? If that is the case then hang in there because after the first 10 people tell you it is unlikely someone is bound to tell you it would be easy and you can go on your merry way feeling confirmed and justified.

I (speaking as someone with very little experience) would think it would be a very hard road to travel down, I do however wish you the best of luck.

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#4 RE: Can a Chartered Quantity Surveyor become employed with the "big four" in portfolio management, capital tax consultancy or management consultancy upon completion of an MBA 2008?
15/06/2007 09:35

Chartered Surveyor to anon (#3)

Anon,

[1] I don't "know" the answer, I "think" I know the answer... there is a difference.

[2] Yes Anon, I am confident (should I apologise for that?) and I do feel justified and confirmed (does this annoy you?).

[3] This forum is supposed to support advice and encourage people and to sare ideas and stimulate interseting discussusions and debates. Some see it as an opportunity to be rude, discourage others or to make stupid unhelpful comments.

[3] Don't apologise for being "harsh", you are just being you! I take all such comments and criticism - even negative criticism like yours professionally - never personally.

[4] If you have very little experience in this field... then why try to offer your advise. Don't "player hate!

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#5 RE: Can a Chartered Quantity Surveyor become employed with the "big four" in portfolio management, capital tax consultancy or management consultancy upon completion of an MBA 2008?
15/06/2007 14:19

Another Anon to Chartered Surveyor (#4)

As long as you're taking criticism well, can I point out:

It usually goes [1] [2] [3] [4] [5]...

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#6 RE: Can a Chartered Quantity Surveyor become employed with the "big four" in portfolio management, capital tax consultancy or management consultancy upon completion of an MBA 2008?
16/06/2007 05:52

CQS to Another Anon (#5)

Thanks for teaching me how to count Anon... it wasn't as if I was at work - rushing to finish a client final account, before I went into a meeting (and I did not want nosey colleagues peering over my shoulder to see what I was doing or anything). No doubt you have never made a typing error when you were rushing before.

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#7 RE: Can a Chartered Quantity Surveyor become employed with the "big four" in portfolio management, capital tax consultancy or management consultancy upon completion of an MBA 2008?
16/06/2007 10:34

just an observation to Chartered Surveyor (#4)

If you are using terms like "player hate" then I seriously doubt you have 10 years of professional experience or a credible MBA.

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#8 RE: Can a Chartered Quantity Surveyor become employed with the "big four" in portfolio management, capital tax consultancy or management consultancy upon completion of an MBA 2008?
16/06/2007 10:34

twotwoninefour to Chartered Surveyor (#1)

Where'd my post go?

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#9 RE: Can a Chartered Quantity Surveyor become employed with the "big four" in portfolio management, capital tax consultancy or management consultancy upon completion of an MBA 2008?
16/06/2007 15:00

CQS to just an observation (#7)

Thanks for your comments "just an observation". However, the expressions or terms a person uses does not equate to their ability to pass examinations; obtain qualifications or thier capabilities, skills, relevant professional experience. I think you need to be slightly more open-minded; free-thinking, less cynical and a little less judgemental (i.e. do not pre-judge).

My second point is, I am in my final year in my MBA and it is at the College of Estate Management in Reading (and shall finish next year). I do not have to send you copies of the receipt for the course modules, nor certificates for passing my modules. Everyone is entitled to their own opinions, and you are entitled to yours.

It would be nice if some real professionals could come on this site with some positive contributions.

Finally, what type of terms would you like me to use... "lubbly jubbly" or "ok yar?"

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#10 RE: Can a Chartered Quantity Surveyor become employed with the "big four" in portfolio management, capital tax consultancy or management consultancy upon completion of an MBA 2008?
16/06/2007 15:03

CQS to twotwoninefour (#8)

I'm not sure, where did it go?

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#11 RE: Can a Chartered Quantity Surveyor become employed with the "big four" in portfolio management, capital tax consultancy or management consultancy upon completion of an MBA 2008?
16/06/2007 15:43

"Player Hater" to CQS (#10)

College of Estate Management at Reading?

Wow, an MBA from such a prestigious institution?

I'm surprised you're even posting on this forum, I would have thought that one of the Big 4 would have snapped you up already?

Seriously though, your background is not remarkable in any sense - and your attitude does you no favours either.

I just hope you have a Plan B to work on once you've received the inevitable rejections from consulting firms!

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#12 RE: Can a Chartered Quantity Surveyor become employed with the "big four" in portfolio management, capital tax consultancy or management consultancy upon completion of an MBA 2008?
16/06/2007 17:53

anon to "Player Hater" (#11)

I think all these guys are wrong. I think you have a good chance of a place in MBBB or at least big four because MC's need people with experience cost management/planning and whole life cycle costing. Your MBA and experience should leave you in an excellent position to apply.

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#13 RE: Can a Chartered Quantity Surveyor become employed with the "big four" in portfolio management, capital tax consultancy or management consultancy upon completion of an MBA 2008?
16/06/2007 17:57

the other anon to CQS (#9)

CQS,

I have a number of friends who are CQSs, and have approximately yours years of experience (slightly more on average) and have been very succesful in their chosen paths.

However I could not imagine most in a management consultancy environment, and when we socialise together both groups agree that we do have very very different roles and have very different skill sets that from our discussions do not seem immediately transferable.

One final point - management consultancy is ruthless in exposing people's true characters and if you react so vehemently to some gentle jibing on a web-site then I'm afraid you may not have a fun time in mgmt/strat consulting. Let some things go; either act the big swinging dick or become what I believ is the much better role - broad shoulders, take it on the chin, laugh it off - you get bought more drinks that way!

Best of luck, give it a go and learn from any knock backs.

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#14 RE: Can a Chartered Quantity Surveyor become employed with the "big four" in portfolio management, capital tax consultancy or management consultancy upon completion of an MBA 2008?
17/06/2007 07:19

CQS to "Player Hater" (#11)

Player hater,

This just shows how much you know about construction and surveying...

Do some research first before comming on this website to chat utter nonsense /B.S. Once you have found out the premier institution for construction and surveying in the UK (The College of Estate Management / University of Reading - all such courses which are accredited by the RICS) - and in fact the world, get back to me (only if you have something constructive / positive to say).

Further more don't, because you only come on this site to have digs, cause trouble and try to put people down.

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#15 RE: Can a Chartered Quantity Surveyor become employed with the "big four" in portfolio management, capital tax consultancy or management consultancy upon completion of an MBA 2008?
17/06/2007 07:26

CQS to anon (#12)

Anon,

What do you mean by MBBB and MC?

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#16 RE: Can a Chartered Quantity Surveyor become employed with the "big four" in portfolio management, capital tax consultancy or management consultancy upon completion of an MBA 2008?
17/06/2007 09:05

third anon to CQS (#15)

MBBB stands for McKinsey, Boston Consulting Group (BCG), Bozz Allen Hamilton (BAH) and Bain

MC means Management Consulting

(you will notice that in consultancy people love acronyms)

MBBB is considered Tier 1 within management consultancy.

By the way, just in case you are unsure, the Big 4 are Deloitte, KPMG, Ernst and Young (E&Y) and Price

Waterhouse Coopers (PwC)

hope that was useful (unlike many other posts in this thread, which, humbly, I suggest you dont even reply to)

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#17 RE: Can a Chartered Quantity Surveyor become employed with the "big four" in portfolio management, capital tax consultancy or management consultancy upon completion of an MBA 2008?
17/06/2007 09:10

CQS to third anon (#16)

Third Anon,

Your message was a refreshing relief. Also, your advise has been taken.

Thanks,

CQS

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#18 RE: Can a Chartered Quantity Surveyor become employed with the "big four" in portfolio management, capital tax consultancy or management consultancy upon completion of an MBA 2008?
17/06/2007 11:25

PQE to CQS (#17)

Reading is, alas, the best institution for surveying - because the course is not offered at what are conventionally regarded as the best institutions overall, and perhaps because the profession does not attract a highly academic intake.

As for Reading being the "premier institution for construction...in the UK...and in fact the world" - come off it. It is absurd to suggest it is better than the Bartlett at UCL (architecture, building), Imperial (civil engineering), Cambridge (architecture and engineering) and indeed any number of other redbrick schools of engineering and architecture.

That's before we even start on foreign institutions!

Your MBA isn't even accredited.

I did have a great idea of a job that would be ideal for you but on this thread you have shown yourself to be rather immature so I do not think it would be worth my making any further recommendations.

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#19 RE: Can a Chartered Quantity Surveyor become employed with the "big four" in portfolio management, capital tax consultancy or management consultancy upon completion of an MBA 2008?
17/06/2007 13:39

CQS to PQE (#18)

PQE,

I think you are just having a laugh / getting your thrills. Try logging onto www.cem.ac.uk/courses/mba.asp to find out if the course is accrdited or not before you start trying to sound intelligent.

Once again, thanks for your advice about a job, but at present, I am perfectly happy working as a Chartered QS. What do you do?

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#20 RE: Can a Chartered Quantity Surveyor become employed with the "big four" in portfolio management, capital tax consultancy or management consultancy upon completion of an MBA 2008?
17/06/2007 13:40

CQS to PQE (#18)

PQE,

I think you are just having a laugh / getting your thrills. Try logging onto www.cem.ac.uk/courses/mba.asp to find out if the course is accrdited or not before you start trying to sound intelligent.

Once again, thanks for your advice about a job, but at present, I am perfectly happy working as a Chartered QS. What do you do?

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#21 RE: Can a Chartered Quantity Surveyor become employed with the "big four" in portfolio management, capital tax consultancy or management consultancy upon completion of an MBA 2008?
18/06/2007 09:59

PQE to CQS (#20)

It's "accredited" by the RICS and CIOB.

With MBAs one tends to look for AMBA/EQUIS/AACSB accreditation.

As for what I do - a "yes" to your title question, something remarkably similar to what you would like to!

If ever there were demonstration of the adage that it is better to keep your mouth shut and have people think you are a fool than to open it and remove any lingering doubt...

Now jog on and stop making yourself look even more stupid.

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#22 RE: Can a Chartered Quantity Surveyor become employed with the "big four" in portfolio management, capital tax consultancy or management consultancy upon completion of an MBA 2008?
18/06/2007 12:56

Player Hater to PQE (#21)

I'm oh so sorry for not being aware of the intellectual prowess of College of Reading students!

However, my original post also mentioned how much your attitude stank!

Any comments on that CQS? And if you're so happy being in surveying, what are you even doing on this forum? It is clear that your experience are unexceptional, why not spare yourself the distress of handling rejection after rejection from consulting firms and stick to your relatively unglamorous job!

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#23 RE: Can a Chartered Quantity Surveyor become employed with the "big four" in portfolio management, capital tax consultancy or management consultancy upon completion of an MBA 2008?
18/06/2007 13:52

CQS to Player Hater (#22)

Player hater,

It appears that your ambition in life is to come on these forums and utter complete nonsense. I am unsure if it turns you on or you get some sick and twisted kick out of it (how perverse) but whatever it is I shall not lower myself to your level.

I think you are on the wrong forum.

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#24 RE: Can a Chartered Quantity Surveyor become employed with the "big four" in portfolio management, capital tax consultancy or management consultancy upon completion of an MBA 2008?
18/06/2007 14:05

CQS to PQE (#21)

Harsh words PQS, but I have rhino skin, - plus I have had worse!

That said; I will 'let you off' as you provided some informative and useful advice which was "worth looking foolish for"... I'll give you that...

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