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To enter mgmt consulting or not to enter mgmt consulting

 
#1 To enter mgmt consulting or not to enter mgmt consulting
23/03/2003 00:00

InNeedOfAdvice

Hi there. I am a recent Computer Science graduate, I have a high 2.1 degree with a 1st dissertation which involved IT consulting. I now work for EDS as an IT Grad in the project/programme office. I am getting a little exposure to risk management and project management, however would really like to get in to Management Consultancy. The problem is I only have 20 UCAS points, and so I thought some experience in industry (EDS) may help, although its not management consulting. Now, do I apply (only 4 months later) for a job in business advisory and assurance with PWC, or do I do another A level part time over the next year and apply to Accenture? I would apply to Accenture now but from what I have heard, they have a very high staff turnover and may make me redundant, its probably better to finish the EDS grad plan first. What do you guys think? I could go in to IT consultancy with Accenture and move up to management consultancy with them or go in to business analyst positions at PWC and then try moving up with them.

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#2 Re: To enter mgmt consulting or not to enter mgmt consulting
23/03/2003 00:00

Dave

Hi, I actually worked in collaboration with all those companies you mentioned. 3 years ago my advice would be different. I would say with your background, EDS or IBM are the best choice right now to stick with. I suggest you make enquires about EAI/ERP skills focus with client contact. Later you can move into Mgt consulting.

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#3 Re: To enter mgmt consulting or not to enter mgmt consulting
24/03/2003 00:00

faouzi

Hi,

I have been in consulting for a number of years now and have left PwC to pursue other opportunities. Teh consulting world is changing drastically at the moment. My advice to any new joiners in teh profession is to consolidate their knowledge with hands on experience. In other words working ion industry to gain practical experience and then move to consultancy.

Things will get worse within the consulting world before tehy get better.

Your best bet, work in industry for a while if you can.

Hope this does not sound too negative and helps you in your decision.

Feel free to get back to me if you need anything else.

Reagards

Dr FK

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#4 Re: To enter mgmt consulting or not to enter mgmt consulting
27/03/2003 00:00

RGW

Don't even think think about it.

Too many people in too many companies chasing ever fewer projects.

Consulting is in DIRE straits unless you are 25 with a 1st class honours degree and someone offers you £50K plus plus, then grab it with both hands but always have an escape route and update it, along with your CV, every other month.

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#5 to ALL - To enter mgmt consulting or not to enter mgmt consulting
27/03/2003 00:00

InNeedOfAdvice

All – my problem is recognition. I have a lot of hands on IT experience, but not all of it is with an IT company – for example I have worked in other companies where I have realised their lack of IT or discovered problems and have streamlined and improved their businesses by creating entire IT systems for them, but this was all done part time/in evenings and not for an IT company (for example, factories, shops and a HR department). I cant get in to the consulting firms because of the lack of UCAS points, my determination tells me to do another A level now (post degree). On the other side I could do an MA in Management Consultancy, an Msc in computer science or operational research or an MBA later on. I have v good “soft” skills too, but none of the consultancy arenas will give me a chance. Surely soft skills and what I consider real IT skills count more than UCAS points with exams done at 17 when you don’t know your head from your toes.

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#6 Dave: To enter mgmt consulting or not to enter mgmt consulting
27/03/2003 00:00

InNeedOfAdvice

Hi Dave, thanks for your reply, my problem is that on the EDS account I work in (a major government one), I don’t get much client contact, do you think accenture could do any better for me?

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#7 Dr FK: To enter mgmt consulting or not to enter mgmt consulting
27/03/2003 00:00

InNeedOfAdvice

Hi “Dr FK”, thanks for your reply, that does not sound too negative as I am looking for as much fact and truth as pos. By gaining hands on experience, would you stay with EDS? Im not sure whether to 1. gain the IT experience (programming, project management exp. Etc), here, or 2. Gain financial/audit/accountancy experience with PWC etc, and head down the finance side before I go in to management consultancy or 3. Gain experience with a company like accenture that does IT consultancy, and also management consultancy. Which would you pick? Also is there any way to contact you directly – email etc??

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#8 RGW: To enter mgmt consulting or not to enter mgmt consulting
27/03/2003 00:00

InNeedOfAdvice

Thanks for the reply RGW, is that to say staying in technology (hands on IT) would be better than moving on to IT consulting? Also do you have an email address? Cheers

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#9 Re: Dave: To enter mgmt consulting or not to enter mgmt consulting
28/03/2003 00:00

Dave

Hi, I have setup clients for the Head of e-business at EDS through partnership with a huge bank project. They basically behave like school boys; juniors won't get client contact to mess up a 400,000€ deal...but will do the proposal drafting and research. In PwC it will be even less; I know a youngster started with financial audit...never got the chance for consulting. Accenture won't unless you are already well connected with Top decision makers. The grass always looks greener on the other side. Stick with EDS but prove your networking skills at conferences, exhibitions, etc.

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#10 Re: RGW: To enter mgmt consulting or not to enter mgmt consulting
28/03/2003 00:00

Mark

Technology vs It Consulting-- good idea to try and move into ERP if you can. No safe place in IT consulting at the moment however exposure to the ERP will enalbe you to get exposure to clients business processes. This is the first step on the "Management Consultancy" learning curve. It will give the mix of business knowledge and IT technical that you will need to be credible. There is no instant easy remedy to get client contact, no one will hand it to you on a plate unless you can provide the balance of IT knowledge and business. If the consulting doesn't work out you have the desireable ERP knowledge to back it up.

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