Just food for thought from another post on this site: How many hours do u work per week and what level are u?
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Principal Consultant; Capital Markets sector (8 years) - 60 hours per week, odd weekend now and then.
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Princpal / Senior Consultant working 55 - 70 hrs per week, plus travel to Eastern Europe in my own time on Sundays. I bill the standard 37.5 hrs.
I think many consultancies may be building up trouble for themselves in the future, in terms of compliance with the Working Time Directive. We are told to record standard working hours on our timesheets, but work substantially in excess of this. Most people of my level in competitors work similar hours.
In 20 years time, when my colleagues have to retire early due to ill health, I can see there being a flurry of claims against our employers for this sort of thing.
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Can we be purely factual and include our employer name aswell please? If we state just the employer, position and number of hours without any comment regarding anything else we are being nothing but factual and will get a picture of who's doing what for whom etc...
Thoughts?
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I agree. I am a firm believer in not adding any value or context to my input. People giving value added analysis and opening debate should look elsewhere.
My figures: 36 - 24 - 32
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In that case Thomas I work for Pointless Post Consulting, have been pushing 70 hours a week for the past three years and I'm a managing consultant. They are clearly breaking the EWTD!
Oh hang on...there's an internal email going around to all employees at Pointless Post Consulting referring to accusations on an internet forum...I can't be dealing with this whilst at work-I need to get home to my kids after the week I've had! Why didn't I just put the facts down rather than making any additional claims or 'context' and if this post developed we might have been able to infer for ourselves what is going on.
Similarly, when is that personality lacking sarcasm filter coming on here for top heavy consultants...
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Few posts down this site i read today about people working 70 up to 90! hours per week which really caught my attention....
By the way, consultant, in logistics and management consultant sector (2,5 years) average sth less than 55 a week.
ps to fact finder: don't fall or follow others' comments showing nothing else than bad manners. Mostly insults the person who writes them (even when hiding behind the online environment).
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Please Anastasia.
If you're going to do this, please get it right
Which company do you work for ?
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Sorry Anastacia,
Not me-someone else's reply above. What a waste of time this has turned out to be! Glad the hours are 'OK'
FF
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I am outside uk, so the name of the company will be of no importance to most here.
Besides in the website of my firm, there are my personal and contact details, that for i did not prefer state the name.
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Accenture - Manager - 200 hours per week
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FF, Who do you think you are to dictate what information others should give.
If you are really so interested in this - why not post your own details first, before attacking others ?
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I am an Accenture manager and I work pretty much 8.30 till 6.30 at the moment, mostly London based. I can get my work done in this time and I encourage my team to do the same. The only times I have been sitting there till midnight is because the partner I was working for insisted on it (and swore a lot when the team left at 8pm). Long hours are avoidable but seem to be the 'Accenture way'. If senior people set a better example it wouldn't happen.
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Deloitte, 2nd year analyst.
1. When busy at the time of deliverables, have worked 60 hours plus for may be 1-2 weeks.
2. On normal day to day client work 8.30am - 6pm
3. When chilling between projects, 3-5 hours a day.
I think there's some perverse pride people take from working long hours. Fair enough if you really need to at certain times, and you are really delivering that added value, however, I personally don't take any pride in working insane hours which have a detrimental effect on your personal life.
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I was working for ACN now fortunately I have left.
I was a manager and the comments from above were "ask the team to stay on late until they say no. We pay them to do this. " That is not taking care of your team or your employees.
I was working 60 hours inc. weekends sometimes.
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I've been working stupid hour for 6 months, not because I get any sort of macho kick out of it but because the job has been horribly undersold and my client seems to be bipolar.
We were promised 2 extra consultants 2 months ago who for a variety of reasons never surfaced, and I have a member of client staff instead, who has no experience of anything and I spend most of the day trying to rein in, then most of the night doing the work I'd have done if I hadn't been calling people apologising for his latest ridiculous outburst.
So my question is- what causes the long hours? The consultancies, or the clients?
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Totally agree - worked for a partner at ACN who set such a bad example that the whole project was working 12-15 hours days 4 days a week and on Fridays no-one was allowed to get a plane home before 7.30pm.
It's time ACN got its act together on the time demands they place on their people.
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I am not a consultant, but i worked in engineering for over a year - and the culture there was great.
Basically the senior engineer lead by example - he came in at 8 and was out by 5. We were under pressure to stay late for meetings with San Jose Office, but it was only the senior guys who did this and they would come in at 10 to make up for it.
One guy stayed in all hours - he'd go home, have dinner, come back in: but a lot felt this was a bit unnecessary and he was infamous for being flustered and pressured.
Now the projects were longer term - say 2 years for designing one microchip, so this could explain the more laid back culture.
I hope that Accenture will let me do this. The DTI report does say that the culture will change with new blood (like me) expecting humane working conditions.
Considering that you are only reporting 7.5 hours a day anyway - and your promtions are worked out by a computer which takes in your hours, why would you work long hours?
I know I know - I'll find out.
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if you manage your work, your project and your client correclty there is no need to work ridiculous hours.
you may need to pull a late one once in a while. but certainly not every night.
If you find that you are your have either been sold wrong or you are managing correctly
tut tut management consultants
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Thats weird. In my company we always have a code where we can charge Additional hours(that you dont want to charge the client for but want to record for Admin/Programme Management purposes). So if I work 55 hours this week , 40 hours will be charged to a Client Charge Code and 15 hours to an Additional Code through which the Management can track how many extra hours we are doing (This helps increase my bonus and also helps them to bid effectively next time around). Also, if you are not recording the extra hours at all, I think its unethical and someone should stand up for it.
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